Vector Kinematics: Distance to O Decreasing When?

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The discussion centers on determining when the distance of an object moving in the xy-plane to the origin (point O) is decreasing. The key conclusion is that the distance decreases when the condition xVx + yVy < 0 is satisfied, where Vx and Vy are the velocity components in the x and y directions, respectively. The participants explored the relationship between position, velocity, and distance, utilizing calculus concepts such as derivatives and the chain rule to derive the necessary conditions for decreasing distance.

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  • #31
Destrio said:
oops, i see what i did, i thought the Vx had a variable x, as opposed to subscript

[(1/2)h^(-1/2)]*((2x*(Vx) + 2y*(Vy)) < 0

[(1/2)h^(-1/2)]*(2(x*(Vx) + y*(Vy)) < 0

At this point you can divide both sides by [(1/2)h^(-1/2)]*2... it doesn't change the sign of the inequality because this value is positive

So you're left with x*Vx + y*Vy < 0
 
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oo ok

thanks very much for all of your help
 
  • #33
Destrio said:
oo ok

thanks very much for all of your help

no prob. practice those chain rule problems. :wink:
 
  • #34
Well, it was a fruitful discussion... but I guess you people deviated. A different approach could have yielded the result in less time.
Let the line joining origin, O, and the given arbitrary location of the particle, P, be denoted by OP. Draw a line, AB, perpendicular to OP in the xy-plane. This line AB divides the xy-plane in two parts, one containing O and the other not containing O.
Now, distance of the particle from the origin, O, would decrease if velocity vector of the particle lies in the part containing origin. (Satisfy yourself with the help of a diagram.) Thereby, we can say that angle between velocity vector and position vector (call it 'theta') must be greater than 90 degrees.
Thus, Cos(theta) < 0 (zero)
=> |velocity vector|.|position vector|.Cos(theta) < 0
=> dot product of velocity vector and position vector < 0
=> X.Vx + Y.Vy < 0.
Hence, the (C) option.
 

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