Vector Kinematics: Distance to O Decreasing When?

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The discussion revolves around vector kinematics, specifically analyzing the conditions under which the distance of an object moving in the xy-plane to a reference point O (at the origin) is decreasing. The original poster presents a set of conditions related to the object's velocity components and seeks clarification on how to approach the problem mathematically.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the object's position and velocity, questioning how to derive the distance function and its derivative. There is discussion about the implications of the velocity components on the distance to the origin and the need for calculus concepts like the chain rule to analyze the problem further.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical concepts necessary to solve the problem, with some offering guidance on differentiation and the chain rule. There is recognition of the challenges faced by the original poster due to the pace of their coursework, and suggestions to review calculus concepts have been made.

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There is an acknowledgment that the problem does not provide explicit information about the distance or the nature of the velocity components, leading to assumptions that are being questioned. The discussion reflects a mix of foundational physics and calculus concepts, indicating a learning environment where participants are attempting to bridge gaps in their understanding.

  • #31
Destrio said:
oops, i see what i did, i thought the Vx had a variable x, as opposed to subscript

[(1/2)h^(-1/2)]*((2x*(Vx) + 2y*(Vy)) < 0

[(1/2)h^(-1/2)]*(2(x*(Vx) + y*(Vy)) < 0

At this point you can divide both sides by [(1/2)h^(-1/2)]*2... it doesn't change the sign of the inequality because this value is positive

So you're left with x*Vx + y*Vy < 0
 
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  • #32
oo ok

thanks very much for all of your help
 
  • #33
Destrio said:
oo ok

thanks very much for all of your help

no prob. practice those chain rule problems. :wink:
 
  • #34
Well, it was a fruitful discussion... but I guess you people deviated. A different approach could have yielded the result in less time.
Let the line joining origin, O, and the given arbitrary location of the particle, P, be denoted by OP. Draw a line, AB, perpendicular to OP in the xy-plane. This line AB divides the xy-plane in two parts, one containing O and the other not containing O.
Now, distance of the particle from the origin, O, would decrease if velocity vector of the particle lies in the part containing origin. (Satisfy yourself with the help of a diagram.) Thereby, we can say that angle between velocity vector and position vector (call it 'theta') must be greater than 90 degrees.
Thus, Cos(theta) < 0 (zero)
=> |velocity vector|.|position vector|.Cos(theta) < 0
=> dot product of velocity vector and position vector < 0
=> X.Vx + Y.Vy < 0.
Hence, the (C) option.
 

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