MHB Vector Manipulation: Writing Cross Prod.

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The discussion centers on whether the expression \(\lvert\dot{\mathbf{r}}\rvert\lvert\ddot{\mathbf{r}} - \dot{\mathbf{r}}\cdot\ddot{\mathbf{r}}\rvert\) can be rewritten as \(\lvert\dot{\mathbf{r}}\rvert\lvert\dot{\mathbf{r}}\times\ddot{\mathbf{r}}\rvert\). It is clarified that the original expression is invalid due to the mixing of vector and scalar quantities. To prove the identity, examining the angle between vectors is suggested, utilizing cross product properties. The key point is to demonstrate that \(\dot{\mathbf{r}}\) and \(\dot{\mathbf{r}} \times \ddot{\mathbf{r}}\) are orthogonal, which would validate the transformation. This approach focuses on the geometric relationships of the vectors involved.
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Is it possible to write \(\lvert\dot{\mathbf{r}}\rvert\lvert\ddot{\mathbf{r}} - \dot{\mathbf{r}}\cdot\ddot{\mathbf{r}}\rvert\) as \(\lvert\dot{\mathbf{r}}\rvert\lvert\dot{\mathbf{r}}\times\ddot{\mathbf{r}}\rvert\)?

I want to show
$$
\lvert\left(\dot{\mathbf{r}}\times\ddot{\mathbf{r}}\right) \times
\dot{\mathbf{r}}\rvert = \lvert\dot{\mathbf{r}}\rvert
\lvert\dot{\mathbf{r}}
\times\ddot{\mathbf{r}}\rvert
$$
 
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The first expression, as it stands, doesn't make sense. You cannot add $\ddot{\mathbf{r}}$ to $-\dot{\mathbf{r}}\cdot \ddot{\mathbf{r}}$, as the first is a vector and the second is a scalar. To show your identity, I'd try to look at the angle between certain vectors. That is, you know by the cross product rules that
$$ \left|( \dot{ \mathbf{r}} \times \ddot{ \mathbf{r}}) \times \dot{ \mathbf{r}} \right|
= \left| \dot{ \mathbf{r}} \right| \, \left| \dot{ \mathbf{r}} \times \ddot{ \mathbf{r}} \right| \sin(\theta),$$
where $\theta$ is the angle between $\dot{\mathbf{r}}$ and $\dot{\mathbf{r}} \times \ddot{ \mathbf{r}}$. If you can show that $\dot{\mathbf{r}}$ and $\dot{\mathbf{r}} \times \ddot{\mathbf{r}}$ are orthogonal, you'd be done, right?
 

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