Vector Sum of a Standing Wave Confusion

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The discussion revolves around the concept of standing waves, particularly focusing on the confusion regarding their formation and behavior when a progressive wave is reflected at a boundary. Participants explore the nature of wave interference and the conditions under which standing waves are created.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster questions how standing waves can form if the incident and reflected waves are opposites, suggesting that they should interfere destructively. Other participants explain the nature of wave interference, noting that constructive and destructive interference occurs at different points along the medium over time.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's confusion, providing explanations about the behavior of standing waves and the role of time in wave interference. Some mathematical representations of the standing wave are introduced, contributing to the understanding of the phenomenon.

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The original poster mentions an upcoming physics exam, indicating a time constraint that may influence the urgency of their understanding. There is also a reference to the need for clarity on the topic, suggesting that the discussion is aimed at resolving specific misconceptions.

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Hi,
I was taught that a standing wave is formed when a progressive wave meets a boundary and is reflected. I was also taught that waves that meet a fixed end, reflect on the opposite side of the axis to the side that they met it at. (I hope that makes sense)
If this is true, when the wave is reflected, I don't understand why any wave is formed at all. Surely, if the two waves are opposites in the way they are, their amplitudes would interfere destructively and not form a wave at all.
I have been looking around for answer to this question elsewhere online but cannot seem to come up with one and wasn't sure where else to post this.
I have a physics exam on Monday and I don't understand this particular bit!
Thanks
 
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Standing wave diagrams are a still frame of where the wave will have traveled over time as it travels to one end of a medium and back.

This is just like the graph of a wave on a coordinate plane. Some parts of the wave are crests, some are troughs, but they don't interfere because the crests and troughs are never in the same place at the same time.

A standing wave doesn't interfere with itself because, although a crest and a trough do exist in the same place, they do not exist in that place at the same time.

EDIT:

I wrote my response thinking of a single wave pulse, in which case no interference would occur at all.

In the case of a standing wave, we create multiple pulses at regular time intervals, and constructive and destructive interference occur at different points along the medium.

The reason the wave doesn't completely cancel itself out is the dimension of time. The relative location of each crest and trough along the wire in time explains the resulting interference pattern.
 
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as the incident wave and reflected wave travel in opposite direction there will be times when one wave's crests coincide with the other wave's valleys. When that happens the two waves cancel out as you described. But at some later time the waves move in opposite directions and eventually one wave's crest will coincide with the other wave's crest. At that instant the two waves add up to a bigger wave (constructive interference). You will see the wave go back and forth between those two opposite possibilities which gives a wave that expands and contracts without moving known as a standing wave.
 
A very simplified derivation will be shown:
A wave traveling along the x-axis to the right can be represented by the function y1=Asin(wt-kx). A wave traveling in the opposite direction, having the same amplitude and opposite phase is y2=-Asin(wt+kx).

The resultant function is Y=y1+y2=Asin(wt-kx)-Asin(wt+kx). Apply the addition formula to expand the sines:

Y=A[ sin(wt)cos(kx)-cos(wt)sin(kx)-sin(wt)cos(kx)-cos(wt)sin(kx)]= -2Acos(wt)sin(kx)

The result is a standing wave. It describes the vibration at each x with angular frequency w, and amplitude 2Asin(kx). At certain points the amplitude is zero (where kx=integer multiple of pi) these are the nodes. At other points, where kx is odd multiple of pi/2, the amplitude is maximum, 2A. These are the antinodes of the standing wave.

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