Velocity of proton following a helical path? need a bit of help

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a proton entering a magnetic field, specifically focusing on its helical path and the calculation of its velocity components and radius of curvature. The context includes the initial velocity of the proton and the magnetic field strength.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the components of the proton's velocity, questioning the accuracy of the values provided and exploring the relationship between the velocity in the Z-axis and the XY-plane. There are attempts to apply formulas related to circular motion and the Lorentz force, along with discussions about the mass and charge of the proton.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the use of formulas and the importance of accurate values for calculations. There is a recognition of potential misunderstandings regarding the velocity notation and the implications for the calculations being attempted.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the Lorentz force has not been covered in their studies yet, which may affect their understanding of the problem. There are also concerns about the accuracy of the values used in calculations, particularly regarding significant figures.

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velocity of proton following a helical path?? need a bit of help

Homework Statement


A proton with an initial velocity given by (4.0 + 3.0 + 3.0)(105 m/s) enters a magnetic field given by (0.62 T). Describe the motion of the proton.


The proton will follow a helical path with a velocity of 3e5 m/s along the Z -axis, with the circular motion in the XY -plane having a speed of ?? and radius of ??


The Attempt at a Solution




so i got the velocity of the proton along Z axis but I'm not sure how to get the XY axis

my idea was that i could just square x and y velocity then rad it but it didn't work

and would i be able to get the Radius by using this formula?
 
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What is the direction of the magnetic field?
Are you sure you copied the velocity along z correctly? It can be 305 m/s, but 3e5 is impossible if it means 300000 m/s.

Do you know the formula for the Lorentz force, the magnetic field exerts on a moving charged particle?

ehild
 


yeah it's to the z

no we have not learned the Lorentz force yet
can't you find the velocity the ciruclar motion by doing x^2 + y^2 and rad it
but it's not the answer
 


oh nvm it is haha
 


qvB = mv^2/R or R = mv/qB.

i'm using this to find the R

so 1.6*10^-27 * 5 * 10^5 / (1.6*10^-19 * 0.62 * .62T)

and i got 0.008065 m and it's not the answer

5 * 10^5 is the velocity on the xand y axis
i tried using the z axis but that's not even close

help?
 


What is what? does 105 mean 105 m/s? And 3e5 means 3˙105 m/s?
So 5˙105 m/s is the speed of the proton in the x,y plane.
The mass of proton is

m_{p}\ =\ 1.673\ \times\ 10^{-27}\ kg

Using 1.6 instead of 1.67 is bad.

The charge is
e\ =\ 1.602\ \times\ 10^{-19}\ C

It does not hurt using more then necessary significant digits during calculations.
Do the calculation again, with the more accurate proton mass. It should be all right.

ehild
 


oh thanks
i'll remember
 

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