Velocity of Pulley: Mass 1 & 2, Frictionless Disk

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The problem involves two masses connected by a rope over a frictionless pulley, with one mass falling and the other rising. The masses are specified as 15.0 kg and 9.0 kg, with the pulley being a solid disk of mass 8.0 kg and radius 0.20 meters. The inquiry focuses on determining the speed of the falling mass.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the masses and the equations of motion. There is an exploration of the direction of forces and the need for clarity in labeling diagrams. Questions are raised about the conditions under which speed is to be calculated, including whether it pertains to a specific time or distance fallen.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the equations presented, confirming the correctness of certain formulations. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the direction of forces and the implications for the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the conditions for measuring speed.

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Participants are working with the assumption that the pulley is frictionless and that the rope is massless. There is a noted need for clarity regarding the timing of the speed measurement, as well as the potential impact of the direction of forces on the equations used.

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Question: Mass one is 15.0 kg and mass 2 is 9.0 kg. They are connected by a massless rope which passes over a frictionless pulley. The pulley has a shape of a solid disk. They pulley mass is 8.0 kg and the pulley radius (R) is 0.20 meter.
What is the speed of the falling body?

Solution:

I think my issue is determining if the forces in my equations are either positive or negative...
In my diagrams I forgot to label the the direction of my force vectors...
Body 1 and Body 2: Both T1 and T2 point up towards top of page and w1 and w2 point down towards bottom of page.

Equations:

1. Ʃ (torque) = T1(R) - T2(R) = (I)(a/R) = (MR^2/2)(a/R) = M*a*R/2

2. Ʃ(F1) = T1 - w1 = (m1)(a) ... T1 = m1*a + w1

3. Ʃ(F2) = w2 - T2 = (m2)(a) ... -T2 = m2*a - w2

4. T1 - T2 = m1*a + w1 + m2*a - w2

* Substitute eq. 4. into eq. 1.

(m1*a + w1 + m2*a - w2) = M*a*/2

a = (w1 - w2)/(M/2 - m1 - m2) = -2.94 m/s^2

V = (2*-2*-2.94)^(1/2) = 3.42 m/s

The answer is 2.9 m/s
 

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Miike012 said:
2. Ʃ(F1) = T1 - w1 = (m1)(a) ... T1 = m1*a + w1

3. Ʃ(F2) = w2 - T2 = (m2)(a) ... -T2 = m2*a - w2

Check equations 2 and 3. Object 1 accelerates downward and object 2 upward.
What was the question about speed? Do you need to give it at a certain time instant or after falling a given length?

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After it falls 2.0 meters


2. Ʃ(F1) = -T1 + w1 = (m1)(a)

3. Ʃ(F2) = -w2 + T2 = (m2)(a)

Is this correct?
 
Correct.

ehild
 

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