Velocity Vector Fields: Differentiating a Vector Function to Scalar

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of a vector function, specifically a one-parameter family of maps, and the implications of this differentiation in the context of velocity vector fields. Participants explore the relationship between vector functions and scalar functions, as well as the nature of vector components in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how differentiating the vector function Φt with respect to t results in a scalar function.
  • Another participant asserts that differentiating Φt does not yield a scalar function.
  • There are inquiries about the transition from the derivative of the vector function to the expression for the velocity vector field.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the evaluation of the derivative at t=0 and the use of tangent vector bases.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the nature of the components of the original function and the velocity vector field, with differing views on whether they represent vectors with one or two components.
  • There is a suggestion that the original function is a vector with two components, while the velocity vector field appears to have one component, which is contested by others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the vector function and the velocity vector field, particularly regarding the nature of their components. There is no consensus on whether differentiating the vector function leads to a scalar or how the components are defined.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the differentiation process and the definitions of vector components in this context.

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Hi. Given a one-parameter family of maps such as
Φt : ( x , y ) → ( xet + 2et -2 , ye2t ) the velocity vector field at t=0 is given by d(Φt)/dt = (x+2) ∂/∂x + 2y ∂/∂y
My question is ; how does differentiating a vector function Φt with respect to t result in a scalar function ? Thanks
 
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dyn said:
My question is ; how does differentiating a vector function Φt with respect to t result in a scalar function ?
It doesn't.
 
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How do you go from ##\frac{d}{dt}[(xe^t + 2e^t - 2)\hat{x} + (ye^{2t})\hat{y}]## to what you have?
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
How do you go from ##\frac{d}{dt}[(xe^t + 2e^t - 2)\hat{x} + (ye^{2t})\hat{y}]## to what you have?
The derivative is evaluated at ##t = 0##. The tangent vector basis is ##\partial_x## and ##\partial_y##.
 
Ahh. The basis was what I was missing. I suppose that makes sense, maybe. I would think that we would be looking at ##\frac{\partial \hat{x}}{\partial t}|_{t=0}## and ##\frac{\partial \hat{y}}{\partial t}|_{t=0}##, however.
Not trying to hijack the thread.
**I think I see the error of my ways, now.**
 
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Orodruin said:
It doesn't.
The function Φ t takes 2 coordinates ( x , y ) into 2 different coordinates. I would think this makes them vectors while the velocity vector field doesn't look like a vector.
 
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dyn said:
The function Φ t takes 2 coordinates ( x , y ) into 2 different coordinates. I would think this makes them vectors while the velocity vector field doesn't look like a vector.
Yes it does. Remember that the tangent vector basis is ##\partial_\mu##.
 
So the original function is a vector with 2 components ? And the velocity vector field is a vector with one component ?
 
dyn said:
So the original function is a vector with 2 components ? And the velocity vector field is a vector with one component ?
No, both have two components. It is just a different way of writing it as a linear combination of the basis instead of a collection of components.
 
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