Venn Diagram problem (Set Theory)

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The forum discussion centers on solving a Venn diagram problem involving set theory with a universal set of 40 elements, where Set A contains 20 elements and Set B contains 17 elements. The equation n(A∩B) = 1/2 n(A'∩B') is critical to the solution, leading to the conclusion that the number of elements in the intersection, n(A∩B), equals 3. Participants emphasize the importance of correctly interpreting set notation and using simultaneous equations to derive the solution, ultimately confirming that n(A∩B) = 3.

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  • #31
Ascleipus said:
This means that the yellow is 2x and the red is 17-x
and then i assume i use simultaneous equations to solve it, do tell me if I'm on the right track, but please no answer^^

Don't use 2x for the yellow. Use the fact that it all adds up to 40 to figure out how many are in the yellow.
 
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  • #32
but in order to figure out the yellow i need the intersection don't I?
40-(37-x) must be more appropriate then if i am to use that it adds up to 40
 
  • #33
it seemed reasonable to do 40-(37-x)=(37-x)/2

if the yellow is 40-(37-x) and the union of the two sets is 37-x if divide that by two then i should have a functioning equation, right?

however that just solves x as being 10.333...
 
  • #34
Ascleipus said:
so a∩b=3?

Yes!

but how did you derive the equation a'∩b'=(1/2)(40-(a+b+a∩b))? I would understand if the 1/2 wasn't there, but if the 1/2 isn't there then the whole method doesn't work

a'nb' does not equal (1/2)(40-(a+b+a∩b))

a'nb' does equal (40-(a+b+a∩b))

Since anb=(1/2)a'nb' ,

anb= (1/2)(40-(a+b+a∩b))
 
  • #35
of course! thanks so much after all that i miss that 1 detail haha that's 2 problems you've helped me with, thank you to everyone else that has attempted to help me as well much appreciated everyone! physics forums is brilliant, hope i can someday help others like you have helped me :)
 
  • #36
LCKurtz said:
Don't use 2x for the yellow. Use the fact that it all adds up to 40 to figure out how many are in the yellow.

Ascleipus said:
but in order to figure out the yellow i need the intersection don't I?
40-(37-x) must be more appropriate then if i am to use that it adds up to 40

Sorry, I wrote that in a hurry. Go ahead and use 2x then just add them all up:

x + (17-x) + (20-x) + 2x = 40.

That's all there is to it.
 

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