Is there a simpler way to solve this Venn diagram algebra problem?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around an algebra problem related to Venn diagrams, specifically focusing on the Inclusion-Exclusion Principle for three sets. Participants are exploring the algebraic identities involved in calculating the union of multiple sets.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand if there are additional simplifications or identities that could lead to the inclusion of the term A ∩ (B ∩ C) without relying on the diagram. Other participants confirm the relevance of the Inclusion-Exclusion Principle in this context.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the algebraic identities related to the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the Inclusion-Exclusion Principle, and there is an acknowledgment of the original poster's inquiry about simplifications.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the notation used for the intersection of sets, with a suggestion to clarify the expression for the intersection term.

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Homework Statement


I solved the problem myself but i have a question about the algebra

Homework Equations


n(A ∪ B ∪ C) = n(A) + n(B) + n(C) -n(A ∩ B) -n(A ∩ C) -n(B ∩ C) + A ∩ (B ∩ C)
= n(A ∪ B) -n(A ∩ C) -n(B ∩ C) + A ∩ (B ∩ C)

The Attempt at a Solution


I knew i needed n(A ∪ B ∪ C) and that the book had:

n(A ∪ B) = n(A) + n(B) -n(A ∩ B)

you can see that was the only simplification I had made, but was there any other simplifications that would have pointed to needing the + A ∩ (B ∩ C) term? are there some identities here that would have lead to that conclusion without needing to see the diagram and think about it? maybe that was the point of this problem to teach a new identity?
 
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andrewkirk said:
Yes. The identity you are searching for is the Inclusion-Exclusion Principle.
That is exactly what I was looking for, thanks andrew!
 
chris2020 said:

Homework Statement


I solved the problem myself but i have a question about the algebra

Homework Equations


n(A ∪ B ∪ C) = n(A) + n(B) + n(C) -n(A ∩ B) -n(A ∩ C) -n(B ∩ C) + A ∩ (B ∩ C)
= n(A ∪ B) -n(A ∩ C) -n(B ∩ C) + A ∩ (B ∩ C)

The Attempt at a Solution


I knew i needed n(A ∪ B ∪ C) and that the book had:

n(A ∪ B) = n(A) + n(B) -n(A ∩ B)

you can see that was the only simplification I had made, but was there any other simplifications that would have pointed to needing the + A ∩ (B ∩ C) term? are there some identities here that would have lead to that conclusion without needing to see the diagram and think about it? maybe that was the point of this problem to teach a new identity?

Your last term should be ##+n(A \cap B \cap c)##, not just the ##+ A \cap (B \cap C)## that you wrote (which, incidentally, can be written without parentheses as ##A \cap B \cap C##).
 

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