Verify derivative of a dot product.

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The discussion revolves around verifying the derivative of the dot product of two time-dependent vectors, \(\vec w(t)\) and \(\vec v(t)\). Participants explore the mathematical properties of the dot product and its implications for differentiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Alan seeks confirmation of the derivative formula \(\frac {d(\vec w \cdot \vec v)}{dt} = \vec v \cdot \frac { d\vec w}{dt} + \vec w \cdot \frac { d\vec v}{dt}\) by performing component-wise differentiation.
  • Some participants suggest that the distributive property of the dot product implies the differentiation rule should be similar to that of normal multiplication.
  • Alan expresses confusion about how the distributive property relates to the original question and requests clarification.
  • Another participant reiterates that while the distributive property suggests a similarity in differentiation, rigorous verification through component differentiation is necessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of the differentiation approach but express differing views on the relevance of the distributive property to the original question. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of this relationship.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about the properties of the dot product and how they apply to differentiation. The discussion does not fully clarify the connection between the distributive property and the derivative verification process.

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Let \vec w(t) \;,\; \vec v (t) be 3 space vectors that is a function of time t. I want to verify that:

\frac {d(\vec w \cdot \vec v)}{dt} = \vec v \cdot \frac { d\vec w}{dt} \;+\; \vec w \cdot \frac { d\vec v}{dt}

I work through the verification by splitting w and v into x, y, z components, do the dot product and take the derivative to verify already. Just want to run this by the expert to confirm.

Thanks

Alan
 
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That will work.

Note, however, that by definition, the dot product has the distributive property of multiplication:
(u+du)\cdot(v+dv)=u\cdot{v}+u\cdot{dv}+v\cdot{du}+du\cdot{dv}
For all vectors u,du,v and dv.

Thus, the result for the derivative ought to be apparent..
 
arildno said:
That will work.

Note, however, that by definition, the dot product has the distributive property of multiplication:
(u+du)\cdot(v+dv)=u\cdot{v}+u\cdot{dv}+v\cdot{du}+du\cdot{dv}
For all vectors u,du,v and dv.

Thus, the result for the derivative ought to be apparent..

Thanks

But I don't see how

(u+du)\cdot(v+dv)=u\cdot{v}+u\cdot{dv}+v\cdot{du}+du\cdot{dv}


relate to my original question. Please explain.

Thanks

Alan
 
It shows that a dot product works "just like" a normal product, and thus, the differentiation rule "ought" to be the same (i.e, your result).

However, for rigorous verification, you should do as you've done.
 
Thanks
 

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