Dot product of a vector and a derivative of that vector

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical relationship between the dot product of a vector and its derivative, specifically in the context of classical mechanics as presented in Douglas Gregory's textbook. Participants explore how to derive the expression involving mass, velocity, and its time derivative, focusing on the application of calculus and the product rule.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about deriving the right-hand side of the equation from the left-hand side, seeking guidance on the process.
  • Another participant suggests using elementary calculus to differentiate the right-hand side, noting that it assumes mass is constant.
  • A different participant points out the use of the product rule for differentiation, stating that it can be applied to the dot product of two vectors to achieve the desired result.
  • One participant acknowledges the correctness of the previous contributions without adding further detail.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the product rule and the use of calculus to derive the expression, but there is no explicit consensus on the clarity of the explanation or the steps involved.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the constancy of mass and the application of the product rule that may not be fully explored or clarified in the discussion.

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I'm reading through Douglas Gregory's Classical Mechanics, and at the start of chapter 6 he says that m \vec{v} \cdot \frac{d\vec{v}}{dt} = \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac12 m \vec{v} \cdot \vec{v}\right), but I'm not sure how to get the right hand side from the left hand side.

If someone could point me in the direction of where to look for this I would be grateful.

Thank you.
 
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Ashiataka said:
I'm reading through Douglas Gregory's Classical Mechanics, and at the start of chapter 6 he says that m \vec{v} \cdot \frac{d\vec{v}}{dt} = \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac12 m \vec{v} \cdot \vec{v}\right), but I'm not sure how to get the right hand side from the left hand side.

If someone could point me in the direction of where to look for this I would be grateful.

Thank you.

\vec{v} \cdot \vec{v}=v_x^2 + v_y^2 + v_z^2
Just use elementary calculus to get derivative of the right hand side. Assumes m is constant.
 
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Ashiataka said:
I'm reading through Douglas Gregory's Classical Mechanics, and at the start of chapter 6 he says that m \vec{v} \cdot \frac{d\vec{v}}{dt} = \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac12 m \vec{v} \cdot \vec{v}\right), but I'm not sure how to get the right hand side from the left hand side.

If someone could point me in the direction of where to look for this I would be grateful.

Thank you.

It's the product rule, ##\frac{d}{dt}[\mathbf{u}\cdot\mathbf{v}]=\frac{d\mathbf{u}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{v}+\mathbf{u}\cdot\frac{d\mathbf{v}}{dt}##, that gives this result. It's probably easiest to see this if you work right to left.
 
Yes, of course it is. Thank you.
 

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