Verify Gamelin's Remark: Complex Square and Square Root Functions

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The discussion revolves around verifying a remark from Theodore W. Gamelin's book "Complex Analysis" regarding the square and square root functions in the context of complex numbers. Participants are examining the relationship between the values of \( w \) and the corresponding \( z \) values in the slit plane, specifically focusing on the calculation of square roots and the implications of their branches.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Peter presents a calculation involving \( w = 1 + i \) and seeks to verify the corresponding \( z \) values derived from the square root function.
  • Some participants confirm Peter's initial calculations of \( z_1 \) and \( z_2 \) but express uncertainty about the correctness of \( z_2 \).
  • There is a discussion on the representation of \( z_2 \) as \( -f_1(w) \) and the implications of the argument of the complex number in relation to the branches of the square root.
  • Peter questions the correctness of his calculation of \( z_2 \) and seeks clarification on the relationship between \( e^{-i \frac{\pi}{8}} \) and \( -e^{i \frac{\pi}{8}} \).
  • A later reply suggests that \( z_2 \) can be expressed in different forms, including \( 2^{\frac{1}{4}} e^{-i \frac{7\pi}{8}} \), and discusses the relationship \( z_2 = -z_1 \) as a general property of square roots.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculations of \( z_1 \) and \( z_2 \), but there is some uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the negative sign in the context of the square root function and the representation of the angles. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants explore different representations without reaching a consensus on the best form.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the branches of the square root function and the implications of the arguments of the complex numbers. The dependence on the definitions of the branches and the representation of angles in the complex plane is also noted.

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I am reading Theodore W. Gamelin's book: "Complex Analysis" ...

I am focused on Chapter 1: The Complex Plane and Elementary Functions ...

I am currently reading Chapter 1, Section 4: The Square and Square Root Functions ... and need some help in verifying a remark by Gamelin ... ...

The relevant section from Gamelin is as follows:View attachment 9288
View attachment 9289In the above text by Gamelin we read the following ... ...

" ... ... Every value $$w$$ in the slit plane is the image of exactly two $$z$$ values. one in the (open) right half-plane [Re $$z \gt 0$$], the other in the left half-plane [Re $$z \lt 0$$]. ... ... "Now, I wanted to demonstrate via an example that a value of $$w$$ was given by two values of $$z$$ ... so I let $$w = 1 + i$$ ... and proceeded as follows ...

$$w = 1 + i$$

so that

$$w = 2^{ \frac{1}{2} } e^{ i \frac{ \pi }{ 4} }$$So then we have ... ...

$$z_1 = f_1(w) = w^{ \frac{1}{2} } = 2^{ \frac{1}{4} } e^{ i \frac{ \pi }{8} }$$

... and ...

$$ z_2 = f_2(w) = - f_1(w) = -w^{ \frac{1}{2} } = 2^{ \frac{1}{4} } e^{ - i \frac{ \pi }{8} } $$(Note that Gamelin uses $$f_2(w)$$ for the second branch of $$w^{ \frac{1}{2} }$$ ... and, further, notes that $$f_2(w) = - f_1(w)$$ ... ... ... ... )My problem is that I do not believe my value or $$z_2$$ is correct ... but I cannot see where my process for calculating $$z_2$$ is wrong ...

Can someone please explain my mistake and show and explain the correct process for calculating $$z_2$$ ... ...
Help will be appreciated ...

Peter
 

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What you have is correct. \omega= 2^{\frac{1}{2}}e^{i\frac{\pi}{4}} so we have z= 2^{\frac{1}{4}}e^{I\frac{\pi}{8}}. We can also write \omega= 2^{\frac{1}{2}}e^{i(\frac{\pi}{4}+ 2\pi)}= 2^{\frac{1}{2}}e^{i\frac{9\pi}{4}} so that z= 2^{\frac{1}{4}}e^{i\frac{9\pi}{8}}. Since \frac{9\pi}{8}= \pi+ \frac{\pi}{8}, e^{i\frac{9\pi}{8}}= e^{i\pi}e^{i\frac{\pi}{8}}= -e^{i\frac{\pi}{8}} because e^{i\pi}= -1.
 
HallsofIvy said:
What you have is correct. \omega= 2^{\frac{1}{2}}e^{i\frac{\pi}{4}} so we have z= 2^{\frac{1}{4}}e^{I\frac{\pi}{8}}. We can also write \omega= 2^{\frac{1}{2}}e^{i(\frac{\pi}{4}+ 2\pi)}= 2^{\frac{1}{2}}e^{i\frac{9\pi}{4}} so that z= 2^{\frac{1}{4}}e^{i\frac{9\pi}{8}}. Since \frac{9\pi}{8}= \pi+ \frac{\pi}{8}, e^{i\frac{9\pi}{8}}= e^{i\pi}e^{i\frac{\pi}{8}}= -e^{i\frac{\pi}{8}} because e^{i\pi}= -1.
Thanks for the help, HallsofIvy ...

However I still think my calculation of $$z_2$$ ... that is $$z_2 = 2^{ \frac{1}{4} } e^{ - i \frac{ \pi }{8} }$$ is incorrect ...Note that $$e^{ - i \frac{ \pi }{8} } \neq - e^{ i \frac{ \pi }{8} }$$ ...But ... your post showed me the way ... as follows ..$$z_2 = f_2(w) = - f_1(w) = -w^{ \frac{1}{2} } = -2^{ \frac{1}{4} } e^{ i \frac{ \pi }{8} }$$So ...$$z_2 = 2^{ \frac{1}{4} } ( - e^{ i \frac{ \pi }{8} } ) = 2^{ \frac{1}{4} } e^{ i \frac{ 9 \pi }{8} }$$ or ... if you want the argument to be between $$- \pi$$ and $$+ \pi$$ ...$$z_2 = 2^{ \frac{1}{4} } e^{ - i \frac{ 7 \pi }{8} }$$
Is that correct now ... ?

Peter
 
Peter said:
$$z_2 = 2^{ \frac{1}{4} } e^{ - i \frac{ 7 \pi }{8} }$$

Is that correct now ... ?

Peter
That is correct. Notice that $e^{ - i \frac{ 7 \pi }{8} } = e^{ -i \pi + i\frac{ \pi }{8}} = e^{-i\pi}e^{i\frac\pi8} = -e^{i\frac\pi8}$. Thus $z_2 = -z_1$, as must always be the case with square roots.
 

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