Verify the average value of (1/r) for a 1s electron in the Hydrogen atom

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The discussion revolves around verifying the average value of \( \frac{1}{r} \) for a 1s electron in the Hydrogen atom, utilizing spherical coordinates and integrating the wave function. Participants are examining the mathematical setup and integration process involved in this quantum mechanics problem.

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the function \( r e^{-2r/a_0} \) and question the correctness of the integration steps. There are mentions of potential mistakes in applying integration techniques and variable changes. Some participants suggest using differentiation under the integral sign as a method to approach the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and questioning each other's reasoning. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, but several productive lines of inquiry have been suggested, including checking the integral and considering dimensional analysis.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of quantum mechanics and the specific requirements of the problem, including the dimensional analysis of the results. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the dimensions align correctly with the physical interpretation of the average value being calculated.

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Homework Statement
Verify the average value of (1/r) for a 1s electron in the Hydrogen atom
Relevant Equations
For 1 electron, the wave function (n = 1, l = 0, ml = 0):
$$\Psi_{100}=\frac{e^{\frac{-r}{a_0}}}{(a_0)^{\frac{3}{2}}\sqrt{\pi}}$$
Average value of (1/r) therefore:
$$<1/r> = \int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{r} |\Psi|^{2} dV$$
For spherical coordinate, ##dV = r^{2} \sin {\theta} dr d\theta d\phi##
Therefore,
$$<\frac{1}{r}> = \frac{1}{(\pi)(a_0)^{3}} \int_{0}^{\infty} {r e^{\frac{-2r}{a_0}} dr \int_0^{\pi} \sin {\theta}} d\theta \int_0^{2\pi} d\phi$$
From partial integral, I've found:
$$\int_{0}^{\infty} r e^{-2r/{a_{0}}} dr = -\frac{a_0}{2} [r e^{-2r/a_0} + \frac{a_0}{2}]_{0}^{\infty}$$
Which I couldn't get ##a_0^2/4## as the result. Could you please show the mistake? Thankss
 
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agnimusayoti said:
Homework Statement:: Verify the average value of (1/r) for a 1s electron in the Hydrogen atom
Relevant Equations:: For 1 electron, the wave function (n = 1, l = 0, ml = 0):
$$\Psi_{100}=\frac{e^{\frac{-r}{a_0}}}{(a_0)^{\frac{3}{2}}\sqrt{\pi}}$$
Average value of (1/r) therefore:
$$<1/r> = \int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{r} |\Psi|^{2} dV$$

For spherical coordinate, ##dV = r^{2} \sin {\theta} dr d\theta d\phi##
Therefore,
$$<\frac{1}{r}> = \frac{1}{(\pi)(a_0)^{3}} \int_{0}^{\infty} {r e^{\frac{-2r}{a_0}} dr \int_0^{\pi} \sin {\theta}} d\theta \int_0^{2\pi} d\phi$$
From partial integral, I've found:
$$\int_{0}^{\infty} r e^{-2r/{a_{0}}} dr = -\frac{a_0}{2} [r e^{-2r/a_0} + \frac{a_0}{2}]_{0}^{\infty}$$
Which I couldn't get ##a_0^2/4## as the result. Could you please show the mistake? Thankss

$$[r e^{-2r/a_0}]_{0}^{\infty} = 0 - 0 = 0$$ Ignore this term. Anyway, there is a wrong sign in your integration.
 
agnimusayoti said:
From partial integral, I've found:
$$\int_{0}^{\infty} r e^{-2r/{a_{0}}} dr = -\frac{a_0}{2} [r e^{-2r/a_0} + \frac{a_0}{2}]_{0}^{\infty}$$
Which I couldn't get ##a_0^2/4## as the result. Could you please show the mistake? Thankss
Check your integral!

Hint: An easy way to get it is to use Feynman's famous trick of "differentiating under the intgral sign"
$$\int \mathrm{d} r r \exp(-\lambda r) =-\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} \lambda} \int \mathrm{d} r \exp(-\lambda r)=\ldots$$
 
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agnimusayoti said:
From partial integral, I've found:
$$\int_{0}^{\infty} r e^{-2r/{a_{0}}} dr = -\frac{a_0}{2} [r e^{-2r/a_0} + \frac{a_0}{2}]_{0}^{\infty}$$
Which I couldn't get ##a_0^2/4## as the result. Could you please show the mistake? Thankss
If you change variables from ##r \to r'=r/(a_0/2)##, you end up with an integral which you hopefully recognize as the gamma function.
 
agnimusayoti said:
I couldn't get a02/4 as the result.

I should hope not. That has dimensions of area. The thing you are looking for has dimensions of inverse length.
 
The integral must have the dimension of area. The prefactor makes the dimensions right...
 
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Ah, I was confused by the term "result".
 
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