Verifying $\gamma = \frac{E}{m}$ in QFT

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The discussion revolves around verifying the relationship $\gamma = \frac{E}{m}$ as presented in Ryder's Quantum Field Theory (QFT). Participants explore the implications of this equation, particularly in the context of relativistic physics and its validity at different speeds.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to verify the equation by substituting classical momentum into the energy equation, raising questions about the validity of this approach in relativistic contexts. Some express uncertainty about the legality of their substitutions and approximations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the equation. One participant has provided an alternative momentum formula, prompting further calculations. There is acknowledgment of the need to consider the sign of energy, with guidance suggesting that energy should be taken as positive.

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Participants note that the equation may only hold true under certain conditions, particularly at low speeds, and question the assumptions underlying the classical momentum substitution.

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Homework Statement


On page 41 of Ryder's QFT, just below eqn (2.84), it says: \gamma = E/m I was unable to verify this, unless it is meant to be true only for small speeds.

Homework Equations


E = \pm(m^2c^4 + p^2c^2)^{1/2} (2.24) page 29, but as suggested n the book, we let c = 1, so
E = \pm(m^2 + p^2)^{1/2}

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I'm not sure this is legal, but I replaced p with mv as in the classical case, and then v with \beta.
E = \pm(m^2 + m^2v^2)^{1/2} = \pm m(1 + \beta^2)^{1/2} \approx \pm m\gamma
But that approximation is only good when v is small.
 
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jimmysnyder said:

Homework Statement


On page 41 of Ryder's QFT, just below eqn (2.84), it says: \gamma = E/m I was unable to verify this, unless it is meant to be true only for small speeds.



Homework Equations


E = \pm(m^2c^4 + p^2c^2)^{1/2} (2.24) page 29, but as suggested n the book, we let c = 1, so
E = \pm(m^2 + p^2)^{1/2}

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I'm not sure this is legal, but I replaced p with mv as in the classical case, and then v with \beta.
E = \pm(m^2 + m^2v^2)^{1/2} = \pm m(1 + \beta^2)^{1/2} \approx \pm m\gamma
But that approximation is only good when v is small.

In relativistic physics momentum is not given by classical formula p = mv. Try using

p = \frac{mv}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}

instead.
Eugene.
 
Got it. Thanks Eugene. Now I have:
E = \pm(m^2 + \frac{m^2v^2}{1 - v^2})^{1/2} = \pm m(\frac{1 - v^2 + v^2}{1 - v^2})^{1/2} = \pm m\gamma
Now my only problem is the matter of the \pm.
 
jimmysnyder said:
Got it. Thanks Eugene. Now I have:
E = \pm(m^2 + \frac{m^2v^2}{1 - v^2})^{1/2} = \pm m(\frac{1 - v^2 + v^2}{1 - v^2})^{1/2} = \pm m\gamma
Now my only problem is the matter of the \pm.

You should always take the positive sign. Energy is positive, by definition.

Eugene.
 
Thanks Eugene.
 

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