Verifying pointwise convergence of indicator functions

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The discussion revolves around the pointwise convergence of indicator functions associated with balls in Euclidean space, specifically examining the behavior of the indicator function $$\chi_{B(r,x)}$$ as parameters $$r$$ and $$x$$ approach specific values. The context includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to convergence properties and the implications of the triangle inequality.

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  • One participant questions whether, for a point $$y$$ in the region $$\mathbb R^n \setminus S(r_0,x_0)$$, it can be shown that if $$|y-x_0|
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about deriving the inequality $$|y-x_n|
  • A later reply provides a working out of the first question, suggesting that for sufficiently large $$n$$, the conditions can be satisfied by appropriately choosing $$\epsilon$$ based on the distance from $$y$$ to $$x_0$$.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of the indicator function on the sphere $$S(r_0,x_0)$$, with one participant suggesting that the jump from $$0$$ to $$1$$ on the sphere prevents convergence, as there is no neighborhood contained entirely within either region.
  • Another participant proposes a simplification by assuming specific values for $$x_0$$ and $$r_0$$, and discusses the challenge of defining $$r_n$$ such that it converges to $$1$$ while maintaining the necessary inclusions.

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Participants express differing views on the derivation of inequalities related to the convergence of indicator functions, with some agreeing on certain aspects while others remain uncertain or contest the reasoning. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to demonstrate pointwise convergence.

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Participants note the importance of triangle inequalities and the specific conditions under which the convergence holds, indicating that the discussion is contingent on careful definitions and assumptions that have not been fully resolved.

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I'm stuck at something fairly basic I think. Let ##B(r,x)## be an open ball of radius ##r## and center ##x## in ##\mathbb R^n##. It is claimed that ##\chi_{B(r,x)}\to\chi_{B(r_0,x_0)}## pointwise as ##r\to r_0## and ##x\to x_0## on ##\mathbb R^n\setminus S(r_0,x_0)##, where ##S(r_0,x_0)## is the sphere ##\{y:|y-x_0|=r_0\}##. I am stuck showing this.
I'm reading a proof of a lemma that $$A_rf(x)=\frac1{m(B(r,x))}\int_{B(r,x)}f(y)\,dy,$$where ##m## is Lebesgue measure, is jointly continuous in ##r## and ##x## (##A## stands for average). The claim that ##\chi_{B(r,x)}\to\chi_{B(r_0,x_0)}## on ##\mathbb R^n\setminus S(r_0,x_0)## is made in the proof. I think there are two cases to consider. Let ##y\in \mathbb R^n\setminus S(r_0,x_0)##.
  1. ##|y-x_0|<r_0##, i.e. ##\chi_{B(r_0,x_0)}(y)=1##. Is it then also true that for some sequences ##(x_n),(r_n)## that converge to ##x_0,r_0## respectively, that ##|y-x_n|<r_n## for large enough ##n##? Why? If yes, then ##\chi_{B(r_n,x_n)}(y)=1## for large enough ##n## too.
  2. Similarly, if ##|y-x_0|>r_0##, is it then true that ##|y-x_n|>r_n##?
Also, why does ##\chi_{B(r,x)}\not\to\chi_{B(r_0,x_0)}## on the sphere ##S(r_0,x_0)##?
 
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My intuition says 1) yes, 2) possibly, and 3) because you cannot avoid the jump from ##0## to ##1## on the sphere as there is no neighborhood completely contained in either region. However, I have to consider the triangle inequalities in detail. I think the answer to 3) is the key to the first two questions.
 
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fresh_42 said:
My intuition says 1) yes, 2) possibly, and 3) because you cannot avoid the jump from ##0## to ##1## on the sphere as there is no neighborhood completely contained in either region. However, I have to consider the triangle inequalities in detail. I think the answer to 3) is the key to the first two questions.
Ok. I agree, I don't see how to derive ##|y-x_n|<r_n## from the triangle inequality given ##|y-x_0|<r_0## and ##x_n\to x_0,r_n\to r_0##. It doesn't lead anywhere: $$|y-x_n|\leq |y-x_0|+|x_0-x_n|<r_0+\epsilon.$$Here ##|x_0-x_n|<\epsilon## for sufficiently large ##n##. But I don't see how else to show $$\chi_{B(r,x)}\to\chi_{B(r_0,x_0)}$$pointwise on ##\mathbb R^n\setminus S(r_0,x_0)##.
 
Actually, I worked out 1).

Let ##\epsilon= r_0 - |y - x_0|##. For sufficiently large ##n##, ##|x_n - x_0| < \epsilon/2## and ##|r_n - r_0| < \epsilon/2 \implies r_n > r_0 - \epsilon/2##. So ##|y - x_n| < (r_0 - \epsilon) + \epsilon/2 < r_n##.
 
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Ok. I agree, I don't see how to derive ##|y-x_n|<r_n## from the triangle inequality given ##|y-x_0|<r_0## and ##x_n\to x_0,r_n\to r_0##. It doesn't lead anywhere: $$|y-x_n|\leq |y-x_0|+|x_0-x_n|<r_0+\epsilon.$$Here ##|x_0-x_n|<\epsilon## for sufficiently large ##n##. But I don't see how else to show $$\chi_{B(r,x)}\to\chi_{B(r_0,x_0)}$$pointwise on ##\mathbb R^n\setminus S(r_0,x_0)##.
We may assume w.l.o.g. that ##x_0=0## and ##r_0=1.## We may also assume that ##
x_n=x_1/n## where ##x_1=1-c## for some constant ##c\in (0,1).## We then need the condition ##B(x_n,r_n)\stackrel{(*)}{\subset} B(0,1).## I struggle a bit to define ##r_n## appropriately such that ##\lim_{n \to \infty}r_n=1## and ##(*)## still holds, but that would be the idea.

The second is analogous with ##B(x_n,r_n)\subseteq \mathbb{R}^n\setminus B(0,1).##
 
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