Vibrating aluminium string

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The problem involves determining the new fundamental frequency of a steel wire when an aluminium block is partially submerged in water. The initial frequency is given as 300 Hz, and the scenario includes considerations of buoyancy and wave speed on the string.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between wave speed, tension, and frequency. There are attempts to derive the new frequency based on the change in buoyancy when the block is submerged. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the expressions used for wavelength and tension.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the steps taken in the calculations, while others point out potential errors in the assumptions regarding wavelength. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful consideration of variables involved in the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption that the mass of the wire is negligible compared to the block and that the change in wire length under different loads is not significant. There is also mention of the time of day affecting participant engagement.

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Homework Statement


An aluminium block of m is hung from a steel wire of length L. The fundamental
frequency for transverse standing waves on the wire is 300 Hz. The block
is then immersed in water so that half of its volume is submerged. What is the
new fundamental frequency? (You may assume that the mass of the wire is small
compared to the mass of the block and the change in length of the wire under
different loads is negligible.)

Homework Equations



Speed of wave on a string,

[tex]v=\sqrt{\frac{T}{\mu}}[/tex]

Buoyancy force

[tex]F=\rho g V[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\frac{fL}{2}=\sqrt{\frac{T}{\mu}}[/tex]

when suspended in air,

[tex]150L=\sqrt{\frac{mg}{\mu}}[/tex]

When half of its volume immersed in water,

[tex]\frac{fL}{2}=\sqrt{\frac{mg-\frac{\rho_{water}gV}{2}}{\mu}}=\sqrt{\frac{mg-\frac{\rho_{water}mg}{2\rho_{Al}}}{\mu}}[/tex]

The answer I got is

[tex]f=300\sqrt{1-\frac{\rho_{water}}{2\rho_{Al}}[/tex]

Subbing in values gives me a value of 270Hz...

are my steps correct?
 
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Hi kudoshinichi,

kudoushinichi88 said:

Homework Statement


An aluminium block of m is hung from a steel wire of length L. The fundamental
frequency for transverse standing waves on the wire is 300 Hz. The block
is then immersed in water so that half of its volume is submerged. What is the
new fundamental frequency? (You may assume that the mass of the wire is small
compared to the mass of the block and the change in length of the wire under
different loads is negligible.)


Homework Equations



Speed of wave on a string,

[tex]v=\sqrt{\frac{T}{\mu}}[/tex]

Buoyancy force

[tex]F=\rho g V[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\frac{fL}{2}=\sqrt{\frac{T}{\mu}}[/tex]

I think your final expression at the end of your post is correct. But this expression is not quite right; the fundamental wavelength is 2L, not L/2. However, in this problem the wavelength will cancel out.

when suspended in air,

[tex]150L=\sqrt{\frac{mg}{\mu}}[/tex]

When half of its volume immersed in water,

[tex]\frac{fL}{2}=\sqrt{\frac{mg-\frac{\rho_{water}gV}{2}}{\mu}}=\sqrt{\frac{mg-\frac{\rho_{water}mg}{2\rho_{Al}}}{\mu}}[/tex]

The answer I got is

[tex]f=300\sqrt{1-\frac{\rho_{water}}{2\rho_{Al}}[/tex]

Subbing in values gives me a value of 270Hz...

are my steps correct?
 
Again, every line checks. Very clever of you to eliminate the unknown V that way.
Okay, I see the error Alphysicist points out. Thank you.
 
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Oh! -_-"

Carelessness... Well, I guess I need to sleep. It's 4.30am here...

Thank you for your insight! I appreciate it a lot!
 

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