Voltage, electricity and transformers question?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving electricity generation, transmission, and the efficiency of transformers. The original poster presents a scenario where electricity is generated at 22 kV and 100 A, then stepped up to 240 kV for transmission over a distance of 15 km. The focus is on calculating the financial savings from using a higher voltage during transmission, considering energy losses in the copper wire.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations related to current and power loss in the transmission lines, with some attempting to derive the secondary current after stepping up the voltage. Questions arise regarding the relevance of certain equations and the efficiency of transformers. There is also mention of potential discrepancies in expected power loss and the efficiency of transformers.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of voltage and current in calculations, but no consensus has been reached on the final outcome or the accuracy of the figures presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of information regarding step-down transformers at the receiving end and question the implications of transformer efficiency on overall power loss. There is also mention of a friend's claim regarding the savings amount, which remains unverified within the discussion.

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Homework Statement



An electric power plant generates electricity @ 22 kV
and 100 A. The voltage is stepped up to 240 kV before
being transmitted to a city 15 km away over a copper
wire that has a radius of 2 mm. Energy is lost in heating
the wire during transmission. If the transformer is 95%
efficient, and the price of electricity is 15¢/kWh, How
much money is saved per day by stepping the voltage up
instead of transmitting it at the original voltage?



Homework Equations


P1 = Ip^2 R
P2 = Is^2 R

Specific resistance of copper = pi d^2 R /4 L , where d = 4x10-3 m (?)
Sp.resistance of copper = 1.7x120^-4 ohm-m (?)

The Attempt at a Solution


No definitive idea of how to solve it unfortunately :/
 
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So far I have a few variables mapped out, and apparently, the first equation and 'part' figured out:

I = 100A, Vp = 22kV, r =2mm,

Equationing:
Part 1
VsIs = VpIp(.95)

Is = [(22)(100)(.95)] / [240kV]

= 8.708A (secondary transformer output current apparently)

Part2
Power Loss with/out step ups: (?)
P1 = Ip2*R
P2 = Is2*R

The specific resistance of copper is also 1.678 * 10-6 ohm-cm apparently

I'm not sure if what I have so far is right or truly relevant, nor what I should do next. A friend of mine claims that he found the answer to be $14,497,500 saved, but I'm not sure if that is correct. (Haven't gotten a chance to take a look at his actual work either.)
 
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You've got V (RMS I presume) and I of the generator. That can tell you the total power, which is consumed - turned into heat - between the city, the wires and the transformer when there is one.

5% of that is power is consumed by the transformer. So you can work that out straightaway.

For the power consumed in the lines it would be more convenient to use V which you already have than I which you never need to know here. From the V's that you are given you can already work out the ratio of what you waste in the wires in the two situations. You can already see that bit is very in favour of upping the voltage.

For the actual amount I think though you do have to work out the resistance of the wire.

Expect the low voltage one to waste more than 5% otherwise it's pointless.

I notice that they haven't included in the problem any step-down transformers at the other end of the wire. There will be several of them and at least two steps down before the current arrives in the houses. A lot of transformers, presumably consuming more energy than the generator one? Never thought of it before. So when they say money saved does the generator companies costs end when the electricity arrives at the city?

But you are not asked that.

Also I thought the big transformers at the generator end did quite a bit better than 95%, very efficient.

The academic exercise is some use for some principles, but an engineer along here to explain some nitty gritties of power transmission would be additionally educative.
 
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