Voltage Waveform for 3rd and 5th Harmonics with 120Hz Fundamental at 20ms

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of a voltage waveform composed of a fundamental frequency and its harmonics. Participants are working through the mathematical expressions for the voltage at a specific time, focusing on the contributions from the fundamental frequency, third harmonic, and fifth harmonic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a voltage expression based on a fundamental frequency of 120Hz and its harmonics, but questions the correctness of their calculations.
  • Another participant points out that the terms for the third and fifth harmonics need to be modified to reflect their respective frequencies (360Hz and 600Hz).
  • A later reply suggests a corrected expression for the voltage waveform, incorporating the appropriate frequencies for the harmonics.
  • Participants discuss the calculation of voltage at 20ms using the corrected waveform expression, with one participant providing a detailed breakdown of their calculations.
  • There is a correction regarding the amplitude contribution of the third harmonic, indicating a misunderstanding in the previous calculations.

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Participants are working towards a correct expression for the voltage waveform, but there is no consensus on the initial calculations. Disagreements exist regarding the contributions of the harmonics and the correct approach to evaluating the voltage at a specific time.

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Some calculations depend on the correct interpretation of harmonic frequencies and their contributions to the overall voltage. There are unresolved steps in the mathematical evaluation of the sine function and its application to the voltage expression.

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Homework Statement



An a.c. voltage, V, comprises of a fundamental voltage of 100V rms at a frequency of 120Hz, a third harmonic which is 20% of the fundamental, a 5th harmonic which is 10% of the fundamental and at as phase angle of 1.2 radians lagging.

1. Write down an expression for the voltage waveform.

2. Determine the voltage at 20ms.


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The Attempt at a Solution



Im not sure if this is right and would appreciate if someone could take a quick look over it please.

1. I have the fundamental (Vrms x √2) at 141.4v at 120Hz
making 3rd harmonic (20% of 141.4) = 28.3v at 360Hz
and the 5th harmonic (10% of 141.4v) = 14.1v at 600Hz

Therefore V=141.1 sin (2∏ft) + 28.3 sin (2∏ft) + 14.1 sin (2∏ft-1.2)

2. Using the equation above and inserting 20ms for "t" I got the following voltages

4.05v + -1.16v(?) + 74.15v = 77.04v

Any help would be appreciated thanks
 
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jitznerd said:
Therefore V=141.1 sin (2∏ft) + 28.3 sin (2∏ft) + 14.1 sin (2∏ft-1.2)
You're pretty close. But all of your terms are at the fundamental frequency f. How can you modify the 2nd and 3rd terms, to be at the 3rd and 5th harmonic frequencies instead?
2. Using the equation above and inserting 20ms for "t" I got the following voltages

4.05v + -1.16v(?) + 74.15v = 77.04v

Any help would be appreciated thanks
For the first term, I get something different. Can you show more explicitly how you calculated that one term?
I didn't calculate the 2nd and 3rd terms yet, since your original expression was incorrect. However, the 3rd term has an amplitude of just 14.1V, so no way can you get a contribution of 74.15V from it

Hope that helps.
 
Thanks for that

So would it be along the lines of:

V=141.1sin(240πt)+28.3sin(720πt)+14.1sin(1200πt-1.2)



How I am working out the voltages is using above formula, This is how I worked out first section but pretty sure I am going around this the wrong way

141.1sin = .268
240 x π x 0.02 = 15.08

.268 x 15.08 = 4.04v
 
jitznerd said:
Thanks for that

So would it be along the lines of:

V=141.1sin(240πt)+28.3sin(720πt)+14.1sin(1200πt-1.2)
Looks good! :smile:

How I am working out the voltages is using above formula, This is how I worked out first section but pretty sure I am going around this the wrong way

141.1sin = .268
240 x π x 0.02 = 15.08

.268 x 15.08 = 4.04v
To evaluate 141.1sin(240πt):
1. Evaluate (240πt) = 240 x π x 0.02 = 15.08, as you did.
2. Take the sine of that result, 15.08, but first be sure that your calculator is in radians (not degrees) mode.
3. Multiply the result of Step 2 by 141.1
 

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