AC Circuit Voltage Waveform Analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of an A.C. voltage waveform that includes a fundamental frequency and its harmonics. Participants are addressing a homework problem that involves writing an expression for the voltage waveform, calculating the voltage at a specific time, and determining the percentage error based on those calculations. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanation related to waveform analysis in electrical engineering.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an expression for the voltage waveform based on the fundamental and harmonic components, calculating their contributions at a specific time.
  • Another participant points out that the phase angle associated with the 5th harmonic was not correctly accounted for in the initial calculations.
  • A subsequent reply attempts to correct the calculation for the 5th harmonic by incorporating the phase angle, leading to a revised expression for the voltage waveform.
  • Another participant challenges the interpretation of the phase angle, stating that it should not affect the magnitude of the harmonic component.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the application of the phase angle in the calculations, emphasizing its role in the argument of the sine function rather than the magnitude itself.
  • One participant suggests a more streamlined approach to the calculations to avoid carrying excessive decimal places, proposing the use of a variable for angular frequency.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations and seek confirmation from others in the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct treatment of the phase angle in relation to the magnitude of the harmonic components. There are competing views on how to properly incorporate the phase angle into the calculations, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the final expressions and percentage error calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the phase angle's effect on the magnitude of the harmonic components. The calculations also depend on the correct interpretation of the phase angle in the context of the sine function.

james123

Homework Statement


An A.C. voltage, V, comprises a fundamental voltage of 100V rms at a frequency of 120 Hz, a 3rd harmonic which is 20% of the fundamental, a 5th harmonic which is 10% of the fundamental and at a phase angle of 1.2 radians lagging.

  1. (i) Write down an expression for the voltage waveform.
    (ii) Determine the voltage at 20 ms.
    (iii) Given an ideal V = 100 V rms, what is the percentage error at 20 ms?

Homework Equations



Vm=Vrms*√2

V=Vm*Sin(ωt) volts

The Attempt at a Solution



(i)[/B] Vm=100*√2=141.4 volts at 120Hz

3rd Harmonic= 20% of 141.4= 141.4*0.02= 28.3 volts at 360 Hz

5th Harmonic= 10% of 141.4= 141.4*0.10= 14.1 volts at 600 HzSo, V= (141.4*Sin(240πt)) + (28.3*Sin(720πt)) + (14.1*Sin(1200πt)) ?(ii) Fundamental at 20 ms= 141.4*Sin(240πt)= 83.11 volts

3rd Harmonic at 20 ms= 28.3*Sin(720πt)= 26.91 volts

5th Harmonic at 20 ms= 14.1*Sin(1200πt)= -13.14 voltsSo, V at 20 ms= 83.11+26.91-13.14= 96.9 volts ?

(iii)

(96.9-83.11)/83.11*100= 16.59

So, percentage error at 20 ms= 16.6% ?If anyone could confirm my answers/tell me where I've gone wrong, I'd greatly appreciate it!

Many thanks in advance!
 
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You haven't accounted for the phase angle associated with the 5th harmonic. Otherwise your work looks okay.
 
Thanks for replying! Ahh I see.

So,
(i) 5th Harmonic= 10% of 141.4= 141.4*0.10-1.2= 12.9 volts at 600 Hz

Therefore V= (141.4*Sin(240πt)) + (28.3*Sin(720πt)) + (12.9*Sin(1200πt-1.2)) ?

(ii) 5th Harmonic at 20 ms= 12.9*Sin(1200πt-1.2)= -12.02volts

Therefore V at 20 ms= 83.11+26.91-12.02= 98volts ?

(iii) (98-83.11)/83.11*100= 17.91

So, percentage error at 20 ms= 17.9% ?Does this look better gneill?
 
I don't understand your use of 1.2 in your first step. 1.2 is an angle in radians while the other term is a voltage. So your value of 12.9 V for the magnitude of the 5th harmonic is not correct. The phase angle should not affect the magnitude.
 
Oh right I see, so will that remain as it was originally?

How did the other calculations look to you?
 
I think I see what you're saying. That the answers are correct I just haven't included the -1.2 in the calculations on here?

My mistake if that is the case?
 
james123 said:
Oh right I see, so will that remain as it was originally?
Yes. The phase is applied when you calculate the angle argument for the trig function (sin() in this case). The magnitude of the term is not affected by the phase.
How did the other calculations look to you?
Fine.

I think that if I were doing the problem I'd probably hold off applying the ##\sqrt{2}## to the individual terms so that I wouldn't have to carry along so many decimals through the work. And I'd set a variable ##ω## as the fundamental angular frequency. So something like:

##ω = 2 \pi⋅120~rad/sec = 240 \pi~rad/sec~~~~~~~φ = -1.2~rad##

##V(t) = 100~\sqrt{2}~V \left( sin(ω t) + \frac{20}{100} sin(3 ω t) + \frac{10}{100} sin(5 ω t + φ) \right)##

Then I would have the option of dropping the ##100~\sqrt{2}~V ## term when calculating the percent error, since it will cancel out as it occurs in both the numerator and denominator of that calculation.
james123 said:
I think I see what you're saying. That the answers are correct I just haven't included the -1.2 in the calculations on here?

My mistake if that is the case?
You just have to apply the phase shift appropriately, namely in the calculation of the 5th harmonic's contribution at the specified time. Otherwise you are on the right track.
 
Ahh I see what you mean now. Makes sense.

Unfortunately with my course it's their way or no way, so more often than not we find ourselves doing things long winded!

Thanks for all your help gneill!
 

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