Wait.... what causes gravity again?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter 1832vin
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Gravity Higgs Quantum
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of gravity, specifically the relationship between mass and spacetime curvature as described in general relativity. Participants explore various interpretations of how gravity operates, including its effects on mass and the implications of these interactions at both macroscopic and microscopic levels.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between mass and gravity, questioning if mass causes gravity and if gravity, in turn, causes mass, suggesting a feedback loop.
  • Another participant argues that gravity affects the distribution of mass but does not cause mass itself, drawing an analogy to electromagnetism.
  • A different participant elaborates that mass causes spacetime to bend, which then influences how mass moves within that curved spacetime, referencing the stress-energy tensor.
  • One participant posits that gravity is not a fundamental force but a phenomenon resulting from the curvature of spacetime, suggesting that objects are not accelerating but rather following straight paths in a curved geometry.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to stay on topic regarding the OP's specific question about mass and spacetime curvature, criticizing off-topic responses.
  • One participant discusses the conservation of mass in the context of Earth's gravitational system, noting that while gravitational force can vary with mass, the acceleration due to gravity remains constant.
  • A participant clarifies the distinction between intrinsic mass and relativistic mass in the context of gravitational fields and motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravity and its relationship with mass, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the foundational aspects of gravity.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference concepts from general relativity and quantum mechanics, but there are unresolved assumptions and definitions regarding mass, gravity, and spacetime curvature that could affect the clarity of the discussion.

1832vin
Messages
58
Reaction score
1
last week, I've just gone through and reviewed myself with general relativity, and am confused, but in a good way; but this time, i had spaces to question it

so... what causes gravity again?
cuz apperently, mass causes gravity, which curves spacetime, but gravity causes mass to exist...? (microscopically); I'm not adequately familiar with quantum, but if you have a plentiful enough explanation, i might learn it in depth; but...
i thought mass is caused by particles (that are able to) interacts with higgs field, and (through some things), it looses energy, and mass is a result of it (actually, i also want to confirm that if you loose energy, idk where did it came from)
but if mass causes gravity, and gravity causes mass, then it's a positive close loop feedback system, where you'd get constantly increasing mass...
@_@"
or am i just totally wrong...
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Gravity affects the distribution of mass. It doesn't cause mass. There's a good analogy with electromagnetism here. Charges and currents cause electric and magnetic fields, and these in turn cause currents and charges to re-arrange. In GR, mass tells spacetime how to curve, and curved spacetime tells mass how to move. A gravitational field will not change the intrinsic mass of a particle.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Joeal, Entr0py and Chestermiller
As Geofleur says, mass causes spacetime to bend, and this bending tells mass how to move within spacetime. More technically, energy (which includes mass) and stress affect the stress-energy tensor which is where gravity comes from.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Entr0py
Gravity is not really real, it's a phenomenon induced by the curvature of space-time, and mass caused the curvature of space-time. Things accelerates down, but they are not really accelerating, they are simply trying to travel in a "strait line" in space-time. But time at above is faster than at below, you know ...
 
Xu Shuang said:
Gravity is not really real, it's a phenomenon induced by the curvature of space-time, and mass caused the curvature of space-time. Things accelerates down, but they are not really accelerating, they are simply trying to travel in a "strait line" in space-time. But time at above is faster than at below, you know ...
well, i could have just rephrased it to "what causes curvature of space-time"
 
Indeed. The OP asked a specific question about how mass and spacetime curvature work. He did not ask a general, "What is gravity" question. I've already had to delete a post for being off topic. Any further replies should address the OP's specific question, not ramble on about how "Gravity isn't really a force" or some other fact about gravity which doesn't help the OP.
 
earth is a whole system itself .so mass conservation apply always. gravity force can be increase as mass varied. but force's accelerationit always remains constant.
much particle joint makes much force attraction.and mass of Earth is constant.
 
Geofleur said:
Gravity affects the distribution of mass. It doesn't cause mass. There's a good analogy with electromagnetism here. Charges and currents cause electric and magnetic fields, and these in turn cause currents and charges to re-arrange. In GR, mass tells spacetime how to curve, and curved spacetime tells mass how to move. A gravitational field will not change the intrinsic mass of a particle.
By intrinsic mass, I suppose you mean rest mass right? because if the gravitational field gets something to move, its relativistic mass will increase. Just clarifying because I'm new to relativity.
 
Yes, I did mean the rest mass.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 69 ·
3
Replies
69
Views
8K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
4K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
4K
Replies
2
Views
2K