Wanted High density Liquid For suspension of Solids

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a suitable liquid to suspend various types of rocks and gemstones in a jar, aiming for a slow sinking effect. Participants explore options that are clear, non-toxic, and easily obtainable, while considering the roles of viscosity and density in achieving the desired effect.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with corn syrup for its high viscosity, which is about 100,000 times that of water.
  • Another participant clarifies that a high viscosity liquid is necessary for a slow sinking effect, while a high density liquid would cause the rocks to float.
  • Some participants propose using solutions of various salts in water, noting that zinc chloride and caesium chloride can achieve higher densities, though they have different health implications.
  • It is mentioned that heavy liquids are commercially available for mineral separation, but they can be expensive and environmentally damaging.
  • A participant raises a follow-up question about the relationship between a liquid's density and its viscosity.
  • Another participant suggests using Jello as an alternative medium, provided it sets before adding the rocks.
  • Discussion includes the density of granite and other minerals, noting that solutions with sufficient salt could exceed granite's density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of viscosity for achieving a slow sinking effect, but there is some debate about the role of density and the feasibility of using high-density liquids. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best approach and materials to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the toxicity and clarity of various solutions, as well as the effectiveness of different approaches in achieving the desired suspension effect.

Coolie88
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Hello
I want to suspend, or really have the sinking effect be slow, different kinds of rocks/ gem stones in a jar. So i don't really know where to start. I want something easy to get, clear, not toxic.
I'm going to start with something like corn sryup and see what it looks like. But if anyone has any other ideas i would love to hear them.
 
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If you want a slow sinking effect you need a liquid with high viscosity, not with high density. You can probably find polymer solutions that have a viscosity that varies very strongly with temperature, that way you can "tune" how fast the rock sinks.

A (very) high density liquid would allow your rocks to float. Liquid mercury would probably do the trick, but it is toxic and not exactly clear.
 
Coolie88 said:
Hello
I want to suspend, or really have the sinking effect be slow, different kinds of rocks/ gem stones in a jar. So i don't really know where to start. I want something easy to get, clear, not toxic.
I'm going to start with something like corn sryup and see what it looks like. But if anyone has any other ideas i would love to hear them.

Corn syrup is a good choice. It is about 100000 times as viscous as water.

Chet
 
To be fair, a high-density fluid would work, too. It would just be more difficult to find, especially clear in color.
 
boneh3ad said:
To be fair, a high-density fluid would work, too. It would just be more difficult to find, especially clear in color.

You can try solutions of various salts in water.

The heaviest seems to be zinc chloride, you can dissolve 4.23 kg in a liter of water. It's rather corrosive and toxic however.
You can dissolve 1.89 kg/l of caesium chloride, which doesn't have any health problems.
 
willem2 said:
You can try solutions of various salts in water.

The heaviest seems to be zinc chloride, you can dissolve 4.23 kg in a liter of water. It's rather corrosive and toxic however.
You can dissolve 1.89 kg/l of caesium chloride, which doesn't have any health problems.

Still, it's nowhere near the density of a rock, so such an object would still sink rather quickly.
 
Various companies sell heavy liquids for separating minerals by density (google "heavy liquid" to find them). The densities of these liquids range from 2 to 4ish. Many of them are quite expensive. Many are damaging to the environment and require careful handling and proper disposal.
 
Awesome... Good to know about the difference between high density and viscosity that helps. I don't what the rocks to be floating. I real was trying to get a suspended kind of effect in order to display some specimens in a unique way. You all have been real helpful thank you.
Also here's a follow up question does a liquid's density have a direct effect on its viscosity?
 
Density affects kinematic viscosity. Dynamic viscosity is another thing.
 
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Ok interesting.. corn syrup offered little resistance. ..
 
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Coolie88 said:
Ok interesting.. corn syrup offered little resistance. ..
Here's another idea. Try Jello. Just wait until it sets some before adding the rocks.

Chet
 
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Granite has a density of ~2.7g/cm^3, so dissolving >1.7kg of a salt would make the solution more dense than a granite rock.
Other minerals may have different density, most seem to be more dense - pyrite is already up at 4.9g/cm^3.
 

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