Was Car A Speeding? Analyzing a Collision Using Physics Principles

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a collision between two cars, focusing on the analysis of Car A's speed before the crash. The problem includes parameters such as mass, distance, and friction, with the goal of determining whether Car A was speeding based on the given legal speed limit.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss calculating forces and energy, with some attempting to equate frictional force to the force of motion. Questions arise regarding the definitions of terms like "force of motion" and the appropriate equations for work and energy. There is also mention of using kinetic energy to analyze the situation post-collision.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some guidance is offered regarding the relationship between forces and energy, but there is no clear consensus on the correct method or interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note variations in terminology and variable usage from their different educational backgrounds, which may affect their understanding of the problem. There is uncertainty about how to incorporate the effects of Car B into the analysis.

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Homework Statement

Car A has a mass of 1900 kg and crashes into parked Car B with a mass of 1100 kg. Car A claims to have hit the brakes 15 metres before crashing into Car B. After the collision, Car A slid an additional 18 metres while pushing Car B 30 metres from its parked position. The coefficient of friction is .6 between the locked tires and the road. Prove that Car A was speeding. Legal speed limit of the road is 90 km/h.

Homework Equations


F=ma
W=\DeltaKE
KE=.5 x mv^{2}
F_{net}=F_{horizontal}-F_{friction}
F_{friction}=\mumg

The Attempt at a Solution


I set force friction equal to the force of motion, and got that to be 11400 Newtons. Then I plugged that into the equation for work, and used 18m as the displacement, and 0 for the final velocity, and solved for the initial velocity. I got 14.697 m/s as that answer. Then I used the equation for work again, but this time I used 14.697 m/s as the final velocity, and found the initial velocity to be about 6 m/s. However, I don't think it's right, since I didn't use anything about Car B. I'm not sure exactly what to do with it.
 
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I set force friction equal to the force of motion, and got that to be 11400 Newtons. Then I plugged that into the equation for work, and used 18m as the displacement, and 0 for the final velocity, and solved for the initial velocity. I got 14.697 m/s as that answer. Then I used the equation for work again, but this time I used 14.697 m/s as the final velocity, and found the initial velocity to be about 6 m/s. However, I don't think it's right, since I didn't use anything about Car B. I'm not sure exactly what to do with it.

What's the "force of motion" and how did you calculate it? What equation for work are you talking about; is it W=Fd? I really don't understand what you did.
 
On a similar problem my teacher posted, he set Force Friction equal to Force Motion. I'm not entirely sure why he did that, and as I can't ask him, I was just going with it.

And sorry, I use S as displacement, which is the same as distance. In my physics class we use different variables.
 
OK, so what's the "force motion"?

I would approach the problem by calculating the kinetic energy of the two cars right after the collision. This is equal to the energy lost by friction before the cars came to rest. Then, I'd add on the energy lost by A as it was braking. This will give the initial kinetic energy of A.
 
For the Force Motion, I set it equal to \mu times Force Weight, and got 11400 for Car A, and 6600 for Car B.

Would I use the final velocity that I calculated for Car A as the velocity in the Kinetic Energy equation?
 

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