Water/air trap pressure formula

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The problem involves determining a method to test a pressure switch set to trigger at a specific pressure using water height without electronics. The original poster seeks to understand the relationship between the height of water in a tube and the resulting air pressure in a sealed container.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how the water height correlates to the air pressure needed to trigger the switch. They ask about the correct formula and the relationship between the two pressures. Participants discuss the importance of measuring the water height in the riser and the potential need for calculations involving the ideal gas law.

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Participants are exploring the relationship between water height and air pressure, with some guidance provided on the need for specific measurements. The discussion is ongoing, with no clear consensus yet on the exact formula or method to use.

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The original poster notes their background in computer science and lack of experience in physics, which may affect their understanding of the concepts involved. There is an emphasis on keeping the method simple and avoiding complex setups.

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I have been set the problem of finding a method that does not use electronics to test a pressure switch. The switch itself is set to trigger at a pressure of 4.4 inches water (+-0.4). The method needs to be simple without any complex setup needed at the time of testing.

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The image above is the solution I came up with. This has been accepted by my tutor and cannot be changed. Water will be poured into a tube connected to a sealed container until the increased air pressure triggers the pressure switch. A 2.5mm ruler will be marked/attached to one side of the container to check the level at which the switch triggers.

The issue I'm having is one of correct formulas to demonstrate the model. I am computer science based, not physics, which is making it a little difficult to understand the correct formula to use.

My questions are as follows:
1. When the water reaches the equivalent of 4.4" on the ruler will the subsequent increase in air pressure within the container be equivalnet and therefore trigger the switch at the correct time?

2. If not can somebody possibly briefly explain the correlation between the two pressures and/or point me in the direction of the correct formula?

This is not a graded piece of work. It is simple a problem my tutor has set me to help boost my knowledge in a subject I am lacking experience in.

Thank you.
 
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You need to measure the height of the water in the riser into which you are pouring the water (i.e., the height above the water surface). Measuring it in the big container won't do you much good, unless you are willing to do some calculations to determine the pressure of the air inside the container, based on the reduced air volume and the ideal gas law.

Chet
 
Thanks for the reply Chet.

I'm happy to do the calculations if they aren't stupidly excessive. How would the meausred water in the riser correlate to the air pressure? I.e. Particular ratio? Overall water + added height of riser water = desired inches?

Apologies if the questions seem stupid, this isn't something that I've done before and I'd rather make sure I understand it correctly than muddle through and get the answer by chance.

Caly
 
Calymi said:
Thanks for the reply Chet.

I'm happy to do the calculations if they aren't stupidly excessive. How would the meausred water in the riser correlate to the air pressure? I.e. Particular ratio? Overall water + added height of riser water = desired inches?

Apologies if the questions seem stupid, this isn't something that I've done before and I'd rather make sure I understand it correctly than muddle through and get the answer by chance.

Caly
Riser water height - tank water height = desired inches
 

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