Water and Ice mixture, Find original temperature of water

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the initial temperature of juice (treated as water) after an ice cube is added, resulting in a final temperature of 3.00 °C. The context includes calculations related to heat transfer, specifically focusing on the melting of ice and the warming of water.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the energy balance between the melting ice and the warming juice, questioning the correct application of temperature change (ΔT) in their calculations. There is uncertainty about the values for specific heat and latent heat used in the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided numerical values for specific heat and latent heat, while others are seeking clarification on the correct interpretation of temperature changes in their equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the results obtained, including doubts about the feasibility of the calculated initial temperature.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concerns about the small amount of ice relative to the volume of juice, which may affect the outcome. There is also mention of previous familiarity with similar problems, indicating a potential gap in current understanding.

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Homework Statement


An 8 cm3 ice cube (temperature = 0.00 °C) is dropped into a glass with 3 dL juice which results in the ice cube being melted. By doing this, the juice drops to a temperature of 3.00 °C. What was the temperature of the juice before the ice cube was added? (Treat juice as water in this assignment. The density for ice is 920
kg/m3
. Assume no energy is lost to the surroundings).

ice
m1=(920)(8E-6) = 7.36E-3
T1=0 C

juice=water
m2=(1000)(0.3) = 0.3kg
T0water=?

mixture
Tfinal=3°C

Homework Equations


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Q=mcΔT
H=mLf

The Attempt at a Solution


Energy gained by ice = Energy lost by water

(Ice → Water0C) + (Water0C → Water3C) = Waterinitial → Water3C

m1Lf+m1c(T3-T0) = m2c(Tinitial-T3)
m1[Lf+c(T3-T0)]/m2c=Tinitial-T3

I am not sure whether in the case of water ΔT is (Tfinal-Tinitial) or vice versa.
I get either a negative temperature, which is bs, or after swapping them around Tinitial= 5°C which I do not quite believe, because who would want to cool down water by 2°C?!

Please help, I am on the verge of questioning my sanity after spending more than an hour on this...
(One year ago it would've been no problem for me, but after a year of little to no physics my brain went ..dumb :D)
 
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There are a c and a Lf in this calculation; what are the numerical values you use ?
And yes, one cube for 3 dl isn't much...
 
Method looks ok. Show your working.
 
values from google or specific tables
cwater= 4180 J/KgK
Lfice= 334E3 J/Kg

Working? Like substituting in the numbers? I mentioned the results I got after having substituted. One was negative, close to -1 and the other was 5 after swapping the final and initial in
Can you please focus on the question whether in the case of water/juice ΔT is (Tfinal-Tinitial) or (Tinitial-Tfinal)

http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP28701i007f2a3h8b607b000022ab0bhbac85297h?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=30 =5.03
http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP7451i161d717h0b1gbe00004g3egf9d7604ce93?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=61 =-0.97
editable: http://goo.gl/dxxaum
 
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Moon_tm said:
Tinitial= 5°C which I do not quite believe, because who would want to cool down water by 2°C?!
As BvU observes, that is not much ice for 300mL of drink.
Moon_tm said:
(Tfinal-Tinitial) or (Tinitial-Tfinal)
Make a decision, which makes sense to you? Remember ΔQwater=-ΔQice.
 

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