Water Drain Channel minimal cross-section

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The discussion revolves around determining the minimal cross-section size for a drain channel designed to handle condensation water, specifically for a flow rate of approximately 50-100 ml/hour under normal atmospheric pressure. Participants explore various factors influencing the design and functionality of such a channel.

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Main Points Raised

  • Ádám seeks advice on the minimal size for a drain channel for condensation water, mentioning a flow rate of 50-100 ml/hour.
  • One participant suggests considering Manning's equation for flow calculations.
  • Another participant notes that without knowing the application area, it's difficult to establish specific requirements, emphasizing the potential for biological activity in stagnant water leading to clogging.
  • Concerns are raised about the need for cleaning mechanisms due to the risk of clogging from biological activity.
  • It is mentioned that a pressure difference is necessary for water flow, even if minimal, and that a downhill gradient is required.
  • Participants discuss the significance of hydraulic radius and head loss in non-circular channels, referencing the Moody chart for flow calculations.
  • Surface tension is highlighted as a potential issue, with suggestions to accumulate water or modify the channel material to facilitate flow.
  • Alternative solutions, such as using a wick or felt to manage water flow, are proposed as experimental approaches.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the factors affecting the design of the drain channel, with no consensus reached on a specific minimal cross-section or definitive solution. Multiple competing ideas and approaches remain under discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion lacks specific application details, which may influence the design requirements. There are also unresolved considerations regarding the effects of surface tension and the need for cleaning mechanisms.

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Drain channel minimal cross-section
Hi there!
I'm looking for an approx. minimal size for a drain channel where condensation water can go through. Can anyone have some advice?
No increased pressure for the water, just the normal atmospheric pressure. Water condensing and just have to be able to get out.
The amount of water is small, let's say 50-100ml/hours.

Attached the first draft of the channel. Smallest cross-section:
drain channel size.jpg
drain channel size - cross section.jpg


Any standards (if exists) could be good too, so I can refer to it.

Thanks!
Regards,
Ádám
 
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addibigg said:
TL;DR Summary: Drain channel minimal cross-section

let's say 50-100ml/hours
That's around a dripping tap. Unless it's some really special area of application I would not try to overthink this.

Without knowing the area of application, it's hard to talk about requirements...

My only thought about this is that stale water often prone to biological activity => clogging => you may need to provide means for cleaning.
 
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Rive said:
Without knowing the area of application, it's hard to talk about requirements...

My only thought about this is that stale water often prone to biological activity => clogging => you may need to provide means for cleaning.
True.
If the area is not subjected to UV sunlight, consider waxing the surface, so beads of water then run off cleanly.
 
That could be a challenging problem. In order for water to flow, there must be a pressure difference. That difference can be quite small, but it must have a downhill gradient. For example, the gradient of the Mississippi River is only a few inches per mile. Mechanical engineers refer to the gradient as head loss.

Flow vs head loss is calculated using a Moody chart (search the term). You will find that you have a very low Reynolds Number, so you may need to calculate it using the equation on the chart for friction factor in laminar flow.

Your flow channel is not a round pipe running full, so you will need to calculate the hydraulic radius (another term to search), and use that number in the head loss equation. Interesting side note: In some circumstances, a round pipe will flow more water when partly full than when running full. This is a very real situation in culvert flow.

At the size of the flow channel, water surface tension will be significant. The water may not want to enter the channel at all. You may need some way to accumulate enough water that the pressure head will push it into the channel. Or add some soap to reduce surface tension. Or make the channel from a material that bonds to water so that it does not bead up. This calls for some experiments.
 
jrmichler said:
Or make the channel from a material that bonds to water so that it does not bead up. This calls for some experiments.
There are always too many possible solutions to an under-specified problem.
A wick could lead the water over a ridge, like a siphon, while an area of felt could evaporate a condensate back into the air.
 
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