Water resistance as a spring constant

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling water resistance and buoyancy for a dynamic sculpture project that sways on a floating base. Participants explore how to represent these forces using finite element software, particularly in relation to spring constants and the behavior of water.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to model water resistance and buoyancy using spring constants in finite element software for a dynamic sculpture project.
  • Another participant argues that water cannot be modeled with springs due to its ability to flow and lack of potential energy storage, contrasting it with the behavior of springs.
  • A third participant suggests that the force required to push a boat hull into water depends on the volume of water displaced, which may allow for a simplified model if the hull has a uniform cross section.
  • This participant also notes the significant damping effect of water, which could impact the movement of the sculpture.
  • Another suggestion is to model water resistance as pressure rather than using springs, emphasizing that water lacks shear strength compared to other materials like soil.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of modeling water with springs, with some arguing against it and others proposing alternative approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to represent water resistance and buoyancy in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in modeling approaches, including the dependence on the cross-sectional shape of the hull and the need to consider damping effects. There is also mention of the incompressibility of water and its lack of shear strength, which may affect modeling choices.

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i am working on a project for a dynamic sculpture
we want the sculpture to be able to sway and our idea includes placing the sculpture on a floating base(almost like a catamaran) , with wind forces the sculpture will sway.

i would like to know how i may model the water resistance/buoyancy on the floating base using finite element software, the software i use has spring capabilities and i need to know how to evaluate the spring stiffness so it will react like water, to calculate the deformations
 
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Water can flow (change the equilibrium positions), springs cannot. Springs can store potential energy in their length, water cannot (it is incompressible to a really good approximation). I doubt you can model water with springs.
 
Springs typically produce a force that is proportional to their linear displacement. The force required to push a boat hull into the water depends on the volume of water displaced rather than the linear displacement.

So it depends on the cross section of your hull. If your hulls had a uniform cross section (say cubes of polystyrene?) then the volume displaced would proportional to the vertical displacement and it might be easy to model each hull as a vertical spring.

However water also has a considerable damping effect which might be significant if the things moving.
 
Just model the resistance as a pressure, it will have a favourable effect against the applied wind forces. Water should not be treated as a support, it has no shear strength unlike soils say which are typically modeled as springs
 

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