Water speed and bullet penetration

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The discussion centers on the impact of water speed on a bullet's penetration ability when fired into water. It confirms that low caliber bullets can penetrate water beyond 3 feet, as demonstrated by Mythbusters. The consensus is that while the density of water slows the bullet, the speed of the water can also influence the bullet's trajectory and penetration, particularly if the water is flowing rapidly, such as in a river. Factors like refraction and the angle of fire are also noted as significant in determining the bullet's behavior in water.

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This may be an odd question but I am wondering if water speed affects a bullet's ability to penetrate water.

Pardon my lack of knowledge, but I am aware that low caliber bullets can penetrate water past 3ft (Thank you Mythbusters). However, the tests they completed were all based around a pool full of water not running water, such as a river or dam. If I my understanding is correct, it is the density of water that causes the bullet to slow down, but does water speed affect this as well? Or would adding water speed the equation only effect the accuracy and not so much the speed of the bullet? I would assume that if water speed would indeed assist in slowing a bullet it would have to be a considerable amount of force in order to do so.

Just to be clear I am a writer who is looking for some clarification for a potential event in a story, so mathematical calculations for my benefit aren't necessary. I would, however, appreciate some details so that the story can be accurate. There's just something fun about writing an interesting scenario that sounds far fetched but that could actually happen. Thank you in advance.
 
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I think that the speed of water would effect the bullet too.
Because if the water is stand still and the bullet move the water is move too (from the bullet view).
So if the water is move so it speed would increase or reduce (from the bullet view) make the friction would increase or reduce make the bullet speed increase or reduce.
My literature suck :frown:
 
The bulk flow of the water will knock the bullet off course in the direction of the flow - think of the water as a whole lots of little particles hitting the bullet... if the flow was towards the gunman, Like if he is in a boat on a river and firing upstream from low down, then it could mean that the bullet penetrates less.

If your gunnman is firing at a target under water there is probably a bigger effect due to refraction.
 
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Wow that is much more easy to understand :oldbiggrin:
 
Simon Bridge said:
due to diffraction.
refraction?
 
As long as the speed of water is negligible compared to the speed of the bullet, it can be ignored.
Maybe if you were shooting up against a waterfall, the effect would be noticeable, otherwise likely not.
 
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Quantum Velocity said:
Wow that is much more easy to understand :oldbiggrin:
replace "more easy" with "easier" :D
it's practise ... I was mostly saying what you said.
 
What ever
 
Thank you for the replies. I appreciate the comments and explanations. This points me in the right direction. ^^
 
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