Wave Amplitude from Line Source: Finding Amplitude at Distance '4r

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The discussion revolves around understanding the amplitude of a wave emitted from a line source at varying distances, specifically comparing the amplitude at distances 'r' and '4r'. The subject area includes wave propagation and the characteristics of cylindrical wavefronts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the pattern of wave spreading from a line source, questioning whether the amplitude follows an inverse square law. There are discussions about the shape of wavefronts and their relation to amplitude changes with distance.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various interpretations of how amplitude changes with distance, with some participants suggesting that the amplitude is inversely proportional to distance, while others express confusion about the correct relationship. There is no explicit consensus on the final answer, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the nature of wavefronts (cylindrical vs. elliptical) and the implications for amplitude and intensity relationships. There is mention of confusion regarding the definitions of amplitude and intensity in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


from a line source, if amplitude of a wave at a distance 'r' is'a'.then the amplitude at a distance '4r' will be what?







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i could not understand the pattern of the spreading of the wave from the line source.
 
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hi altamashghazi! :smile:
altamashghazi said:
i could not understand the pattern of the spreading of the wave from the line source.

the line is a cylinder

the wave-fronts spread out cylindrically :wink:
 
what would be change in amplitude with distance. will it obey inverse square law?
 
draw it! (from above) :rolleyes:

what happens to the field lines? :wink:
 
i think they obey this law. am i right?
 
altamashghazi said:
what would be change in amplitude with distance. will it obey inverse square law?

no!

the line is a cylinder

the wave-fronts spread out cylindrically​

draw it! (from above) …

what happens to the field lines?​
 
wave fronts will be elliptical. then also it will follow inverse square law. bcoz area of ellipse is
π*a*b
 
altamashghazi said:
wave fronts will be elliptical

why?? :confused:
 
tiny-tim said:
why?? :confused:
sorry wavefronts will be cylinderical out wards but i couldn't guess the pattern of change in amplitude.
 
  • #10
altamashghazi said:
sorry wavefronts will be cylinderical out wards

yes! :smile:

ok, then how is the surface area of a cylinder related to radius? :wink:
 
  • #11
tiny-tim said:
yes! :smile:

ok, then how is the surface area of a cylinder related to radius? :wink:

it is directly proportional to r.
A=2πr(h+r)
 
  • #12
ok :smile:, so if you draw the field lines, they'll all be radially outward,

and the number going through any wavefront will be proportional to r …

so what is the loss in strength?​
 
  • #13
tiny-tim said:
ok :smile:, so if you draw the field lines, they'll all be radially outward,

and the number going through any wavefront will be proportional to r …

so what is the loss in strength?​

it will be inversely proportional to r.
i mean answer should be a/4
 
  • #14
yup! :smile:
 
  • #15
tiny-tim said:
yup! :smile:
but its wrong the answer is a/2. therefore i m confused. pls help.
 
  • #16
oh, I'm sorry, i thought a was the intensity :redface:

the intensity (as shown by field lines) is proportional to 1/r,

and the amplitude is proportional to the square-root of the intensity :smile:
 
  • #17
tiny-tim said:
oh, I'm sorry, i thought a was the intensity :redface:

the intensity (as shown by field lines) is proportional to 1/r,

and the amplitude is proportional to the square-root of the intensity :smile:
thank u very mucch
 
  • #18
tiny-tim said:
oh, I'm sorry, i thought a was the intensity :redface:

the intensity (as shown by field lines) is proportional to 1/r,

and the amplitude is proportional to the square-root of the intensity :smile:

thank u very much
 

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