Wave Eqn: Show v(x,t)=u(x,t)-ue(x) Satisfies Wave Eqn

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the function v(x,t) = u(x,t) - ue(x) satisfies the wave equation. The context involves a string under uniform loading, with ue(x) representing the sagged equilibrium position influenced by gravitational forces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of ue(x) and its relationship to u(x,t), questioning whether u(x,t) is an arbitrary function or one that satisfies the wave equation. There are suggestions to differentiate v(x,t) to show it satisfies the wave equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide clarifications regarding the definitions and conditions involved, while others suggest looking into the superposition theorem for linear differential equations. There is acknowledgment of the need to check boundary conditions for the proposed solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of boundary conditions u(0)=0 and u(L)=0, and the role of the force Q(x,t) acting on the string, particularly in relation to gravitational effects.

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how do i show that v(x,t)=u(x,t)-ue(x) satisfies the wave equation? =(

i get that ue(x)=gx2/2c2 + ax + b where a and x are just constants but how does this satisfy the wave equation?
 
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Can you clarify your question? I don't understand what ue(x) actually is in terms of the function u(x,t)? Is u(x,t) an arbitrary function, or one that itself satisfies the wave equation? Perhaps I'm missing something obvious. :)

Generally to show that a function satisfies a DE, you'll need to show that its derivatives actually have the relationship in question. So I'd start by differentiating your definition of v twice with respect to each variable.
 
thanks for taking a look. still stumped. Ue(x) is the sagged equilibrium position ( when Q(x,t)=-g and the boundary conditions are u(0)=0 and u(L)=0 or fixed boundary/ends of the string). i hope that clarifies it a bit?
 
tuan43 said:
thanks for taking a look. still stumped. Ue(x) is the sagged equilibrium position ( when Q(x,t)=-g and the boundary conditions are u(0)=0 and u(L)=0 or fixed boundary/ends of the string). i hope that clarifies it a bit?

Ah, I see. :) So you've got a string with a uniform loading (which you've called Q) along the x-direction, sagging in the shape of a parabola because of that (note that in reality, if this loading were due to the weight of the string, the equilibrium shape would be a catenary, not a parabola).

And you're trying to prove that if u(x,t) is a solution to the wave equation on an equivalent (same boundary conditions) unloaded string, then:

[tex]u(x,t) - u_e(x)[/tex]

Will be a solution to the wave equation on the loaded string.

Did I understand the question correctly?

If so, then look up the superposition theorem for linear differential equations (such as the wave equation). This states that the sum of two solutions to a DE will also be a solution to the DE - So in this case, if both ue(x) and u(x,t) are solutions then it immediately follows that v(x,t) is a solution.

If you also need to show that it's the solution that you're looking for, then you'll need to check it satisfies the appropriate boundary/initial conditions.
 
tuan43 said:
thanks for taking a look. still stumped. Ue(x) is the sagged equilibrium position ( when Q(x,t)=-g and the boundary conditions are u(0)=0 and u(L)=0 or fixed boundary/ends of the string). i hope that clarifies it a bit?

Are we supposed to be psychic? Why don't you give us the equation you are trying to satisfy? How does Q enter into it?
 
wow you totally got the question. thanks a lot. i see it clearly now :)

LCKurtz: Q(x,t) is just force acting on the string, so gravity in most cases. i got the answer now, sorry for not being more precise.
 

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