Wave Function - Normalisation & Calculation of Expectation Values

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of a wave function and the calculation of expectation values in quantum mechanics, specifically for the wave function given by \(\psi(x) = (2\pi\sigma)^{-\frac{1}{4}} \exp\left(-\frac{x^{2}}{4\sigma}\right)\). Participants are also considering the implications of these calculations in relation to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the conditions for normalization of the wave function and explore the mathematical steps required to confirm it. Questions arise about the proper evaluation of integrals and the implications of results related to expectation values.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in confirming the normalization of the wave function, while others are still clarifying their understanding of the necessary mathematical steps. There is ongoing exploration of the expectation values, with hints and suggestions being exchanged among participants.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the extent of assistance provided. There are also indications of confusion regarding notation and the proper setup of integrals, which are being addressed in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



i. Confirming the wavefunction is normalised

ii. Calculating the expectation values: [tex]<\hat{x}> , <\hat{x^{2}}> , <\hat{p}> , <\hat{p^{2}}>[/tex] as a function of [tex]\sigma[/tex]

iii. Interpreting the results in regards to Heisenberg's uncertainty relation.

Homework Equations



wave function [tex]\psi(x) = (2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{4}}exp[\frac{-x^{2}}{4\sigma}][/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



i. I know that a wave function [tex]\psi(x)[/tex] is normalised if:

[tex]|\psi(x)|^{2} = 1[/tex]

So I have tried to modulus [tex]\psi(x)[/tex] and then square it, but this doesn't equal to 1. Or at least I'm just doing it wrong.. I'm thinking maybe have to take the real part of the exponential term in the equation.. or something like that, but I don't know.

ii. I'm not sure how to calculate these for this wave function.
 
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Hart said:
i. I know that a wave function [tex]\psi(x)[/tex] is normalised if:

[tex]|\psi(x)|^{2} = 1[/tex]

No, the wavefunction is normalized if [itex]\langle\psi|\psi\rangle=1[/itex]. You can expand this in the position basis by using the identity,

[tex]\hat{1}=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}|x\rangle\langle x|dx[/tex]

(Where [tex]\hat{1}[/itex] is the identity operator) Using this, along with the fact that [tex]\hat{1}|\psi\rangle=|\psi\rangle[/itex], you have<br /> <br /> [tex]1=\langle\psi|\hat{1}|\psi\rangle=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\langle\psi|x\rangle\langle x|\psi\rangle dx=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}|\psi(x)|^2dx[/tex]<br /> <br /> This derivation is done in every introductory QM text I can recall, so the fact that you don't know it by heart yet suggests you need to study your text and notes.[/tex][/tex]
 
I actually just missed off the indefinate integral from what I posted by mistake.

I know it shouldn't be that hard to show, but I just can't figure out what steps to take at the moment!
 
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Hart said:
I actually just missed off the indefinate integral from what I posted by mistake.

I know it shouldn't be that hard to show, but I just can't figure out what steps to take at the moment!

Okay, so did you try evaluating the integral? If so, what did you get?
 
I think I've figured it out now..

[tex]|\psi(x)| = (2\pi\|\sigma|)^{-\frac{1}{4}}exp^{(-\frac{1}{4})Re(\frac{-x^{2}}{\sigma})} = (2\pi\sigma)^{-\frac{1}{4}}exp^{(-\frac{1}{4})(\frac{-x^{2}}{\sigma})}[/tex]

Then can square this:

[tex]((2\pi\sigma)^{-(\frac{1}{4})})^{2} = (2\pi\sigma)^{-(\frac{1}{2})}[/tex]

Also:

[tex](exp^{(-\frac{1}{4})(\frac{-x^{2}}{\sigma})})^{2} = exp^{(\frac{x^{2}}{4\sigma})}[/tex]

So:

[tex]\integral exp^{(\frac{x^{2}}{4\sigma})} = \sqrt{2\sigma\pi}[/tex]

And:

[tex](2\pi\sigma)^{(\frac{-1}{2})} = \frac{1}{\sqrt(2\pi\sigma)}[/tex]

Therefore:

[tex]\integral |\psi(x)|^{2} = \frac{(\sqrt{2\sigma\pi})}{(\sqrt{2\sigma\pi})} = 1[/tex]

How's that?
 
Hart said:
[tex](exp^{(-\frac{1}{4})(\frac{-x^{2}}{\sigma})})^{2} = exp^{(\frac{x^{2}}{4\sigma})}[/tex]

No,

[tex]\left(e^{-\frac{x^2}{4\sigma}\right)^2=e^{-\frac{x^2}{2\sigma}[/tex]

So:

[tex]\integral exp^{(\frac{x^{2}}{4\sigma})} = \sqrt{2\sigma\pi}[/tex]

This makes absolutely no sense. On the RHS of this equation you have a function with a numerical value that depends on the value of [itex]x[/itex]. On the LHS you have a constant. How can these two quantities possibly be equal to each other for all [itex]x[/itex]?
 
[tex]\left(e^{-\frac{x^2}{4\sigma}\right)^2=e^{-\frac{2x^2}{4\sigma}} = e^{-\frac{x^2}{2\sigma}[/tex]

My lecturer gave the hint:

[tex]\integral exp(-ax^{2}) = \sqrt{\frac{\pi}{a}}[/tex]

Hence from this I took [tex]a = \frac{1}{2\sigma}[/tex]

Therefore:

[tex]\integral exp(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma}) = \sqrt{2\pi\sigma}[/tex]
 
Hart said:
[tex]\left(e^{-\frac{x^2}{4\sigma}\right)^2=e^{-\frac{2x^2}{4\sigma}} = e^{-\frac{x^2}{2\sigma}[/tex]

My lecturer gave the hint:

[tex]\integral exp(-ax^{2}) = \sqrt{\frac{\pi}{a}}[/tex]

Do you mean

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-ax^2}dx= \sqrt{\frac{\pi}{a}}[/tex]

?

Try using \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} instead of \integral so it doesn't look like you are claiming [tex]e^{-ax^2}= \sqrt{\frac{\pi}{a}}[/tex].

Hence from this I took [tex]a = \frac{1}{2\sigma}[/tex]

Therefore:

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} exp(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma}) dx= \sqrt{2\pi\sigma}[/tex]

If this fixed post is what you meant, then yes, that's correct.
 
Yes that is what I meant! =D

Just got to find the expectation values now.. I'll give that a go..
 
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[tex] <br /> <\hat{x}> = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \psi^{*}x\psi dx<br /> [/tex]

Therefore:

[tex]\psi^{*}\psi= ((2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{4}})^{2}(exp(\frac{-x^{2}}{4\sigma}))^{2} =(2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{2}}exp(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma})[/tex]

[tex]x\psi^{*}\psi= x(2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{2}}exp(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma})[/tex]

[tex]\int x \psi^{*}\psi= \int x(2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{2}}exp(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma}) = (2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{2}} \int x exp(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma})[/tex]

[tex](2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{2}} \int x exp(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma}) <br /> <br /> <br /> = (2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{2}} [\frac{-2x^{3}}{2\sigma} exp^{(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma})} - \frac{-2x^{2}}{2\sigma} exp^{(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma})}]<br /> <br /> = (2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{2}} (x)<br /> <br /> = <\hat{x}><br /> <br /> [/tex]

.. hopefully this is correct.. or at least along the right lines?
 
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Hart said:
[tex]\int x \psi^{*}\psi= \int x(2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{2}}exp(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma}) = (2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{2}} \int x exp(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma})[/tex]

If you are integrating with respect to [itex]x[/itex], then shouldn't there be some [itex]dx[/itex]'s in these integrals? And you are also neglecting to put the limits of integration in.

This may seem nitpicky, but what good is performing a calculation if you can't communicate it clearly to other physicists? You could (theoretically) come up with some brilliant unified field theory that revolutionizes physics and fail to get it published, simply because the reviewers don't look past the basic errors in notation. For this reason, you will likely find that your professors will deduct marks for these somewhat inconsequential errors when they are present on your assignments. You should get in the habit of proofreading everything you write/ type before submitting it, whether it is to your professor, a scientific journal, or even just an internet forum.

[tex](2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{2}} \int x exp(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma}) <br /> <br /> <br /> = (2\pi\sigma)^{\frac{-1}{2}} [\frac{-2x^{3}}{2\sigma} exp^{(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma})} - \frac{-2x^{2}}{2\sigma} exp^{(\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma})}][/tex]

There are numerous calculation errors here. When calculating an integral, it is always a good idea to differentiate the result (before substituting limits) to make sure you get the original integrand back. If you don't, then you've done something wrong.

So, do you get [itex]xe^{-x^2/2\sigma}[/itex] back when you differentiate [tex]\frac{-2x^{3}}{2\sigma} e^{\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma}} - \frac{-2x^{2}}{2\sigma} e^{\frac{-x^{2}}{2\sigma}}[/itex]?[/tex]
 
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No..

[tex]\left< x \right> = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x\left(2\pi\sigma\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}e^{-\left(\frac{x^{2}}{2\sigma}\right) }dx[/tex]

So:

[tex]\left< x \right> = 0[/tex]
 
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Hart said:
No..

[tex]\left< x \right> = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x\left(2\pi\sigma\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}e^{-\left(\frac{x^{2}}{2\sigma}\right) }dx[/tex]

So:

[tex]\left< x \right> = 0[/tex]

That's much better!:approve:

Now, how about the rest of the expectation values?
 
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Good! Yeah, basically I looked at my notes again and realized I was going about them completely the wrong way! Will get on with having a go at the other expectation values..
 

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