Wave function: vector or scalar?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the wave function in quantum mechanics, specifically whether it should be considered a vector or a scalar. Participants explore the mathematical formalism related to wave functions, Hilbert spaces, and the implications of different interpretations.

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  • Some participants argue that the wave function is a vector as it belongs to the Hilbert space of square-integrable functions, while others assert that it is a scalar since it does not change under coordinate transformations.
  • One participant clarifies that the ket |Psi> represents the quantum state and is a vector, while the wave function Psi(x) is a projection of this state onto a basis element, thus being a function.
  • Another participant emphasizes the one-to-one mapping between the abstract Hilbert space and the Hilbert space of square-integrable functions, suggesting a nuanced relationship between the two concepts.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the mathematical formalism, including terms like Hilbert space, Dirac notation, and the concept of square-integrable functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the wave function is a vector or a scalar, with multiple competing views presented throughout the discussion. There is also uncertainty regarding the understanding of the underlying mathematical concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate limitations in their understanding of advanced topics such as Hilbert spaces and Dirac notation, which may affect their interpretations of the wave function's nature.

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Meant as element of Hilbert space of L^2 functions... etc., the wave function is a vector.

In the abstract description with kets and operators on these, the wave function is the scalar product between a ket |Psi> and the "eigenkets" |x> of the position operator: psi(x) = <x|Psi>.

So: psi is a vector or a scalar?

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The wave-function(## \psi(x)=\langle x | \psi \rangle ##) is a scalar in the sense that it doesn't change under a coordinate transformation ## x \rightarrow x' ##, i.e. ## \psi'(x')=\psi(x) ##. In this sense, a vector means a collection of components that transform to linear combinations of themselves under a coordinate transformation. The wave-function is not a vector in this sense.
Here you can read about the notion of a vector space. The wave-function is a member of some vector space, and is said to be a vector in this sense. The vector space that ## \psi(x)=\langle x | \psi \rangle ## is a member of, is the space of square-integrable complex valued functions over ## \mathbb R ## with the appropriate boundary conditions.
 
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You are calling two quantities with the same name: the ket |Psi> is the "quantum state", it belongs to the Hilbert space and it is a vector, while the wavefunction Psi(x) is the projection of this state on a basis element (x), and it's a function.
 
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The object ##|\Psi \rangle## is in the abstract Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}## (up to equivalence there's basically only one separable Hilbert space). The wave function ##\Psi(x)=\langle x|\Psi \rangle## is the component of ##|\Psi \rangle## with respect to the generalized eigenbasis of the position operator.

In this way there is a one-to-one mapping between the abstract Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}## and the Hilbert space of square-integrable functions ##L^2(\mathbb{R})##.
 
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vanhees71 said:
The object ##|\Psi \rangle## is in the abstract Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}## (up to equivalence there's basically only one separable Hilbert space). The wave function ##\Psi(x)=\langle x|\Psi \rangle## is the component of ##|\Psi \rangle## with respect to the generalized eigenbasis of the position operator.

In this way there is a one-to-one mapping between the abstract Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}## and the Hilbert space of square-integrable functions ##L^2(\mathbb{R})##.
Thanks.
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vanhees71 said:
The object ##|\Psi \rangle## is in the abstract Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}## (up to equivalence there's basically only one separable Hilbert space). The wave function ##\Psi(x)=\langle x|\Psi \rangle## is the component of ##|\Psi \rangle## with respect to the generalized eigenbasis of the position operator.

In this way there is a one-to-one mapping between the abstract Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}## and the Hilbert space of square-integrable functions ##L^2(\mathbb{R})##.

Can you please explain what does this mean?
 
TheInquisitor said:
Can you please explain what does this mean?
How much do you already know about the mathematical formalism underpinning QM?
 
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PeroK said:
How much do you already know about the mathematical formalism underpinning QM?

I'm almost 1 month into my course of Quantum Mechanics. So, not much.
 
TheInquisitor said:
I'm almost 1 month into my course of Quantum Mechanics. So, not much.
What parts of the above post did you particularly not understand: Hilbert Space, Dirac notation, abstract inner product, position eigenbasis, wave-function, square-integrable functions?
 
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I understand inner product, eigenbasis and wave function. The rest still confuse me.
 
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TheInquisitor said:
I understand inner product, eigenbasis and wave function. The rest still confuse me.
You can look the rest up.
 
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It's still not clear to me what's not clear about my posting #4. I thought you are familiar with the representation-independent formulation in terms of an abstract Hilbert space and Dirac's bra-ket formalism.
 

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