Wave Speed & Wavelength of Harmonic Oscillation on Slinky

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The discussion revolves around wave speed and wavelength in the context of harmonic oscillation on a Slinky. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of wave speed and the determination of wavelength and frequency for standing waves created on a stretched Slinky.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of wave speed using distance and time, with some questioning the appropriateness of the original poster's method. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between nodes, antinodes, and wavelength, along with suggestions to visualize the standing wave through diagrams.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and suggestions for clarification. Some have provided guidance on identifying key components of the standing wave, while others have pointed out potential misunderstandings in the original calculations. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to explore the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the relationship between wave properties and the physical setup of the Slinky, particularly concerning the assumptions made about wave speed and the implications of tension in the Slinky. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the equations needed for subsequent parts of the problem.

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(a) A wave traveling on a Slinky® that is stretched to 4.5 m takes 2.6 s to travel the length of the Slinky and back again. What is the speed of the wave?
For this one, I did v = d/t
= 4.5 m / 2.6 s
= 1.73 m/s

Then I did v = (1.73)(2) = 3.46 m/s
This is correct


(b) Using the same Slinky stretched to the same length, a standing wave is created which consists of 5 antinodes and 6 nodes including both ends. What is the wavelength of the wave?
I keep getting stuck on this one, and (c) below. I know this answer should be in meters.

(c) At what frequency must the Slinky be oscillating?
I know this answer should be in Hz.

Im not sure which equations to use for (b) and (c)

Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
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CMATT said:
(a) A wave traveling on a Slinky® that is stretched to 4.5 m takes 2.6 s to travel the length of the Slinky and back again. What is the speed of the wave?
For this one, I did v = d/t
= 4.5 m / 2.6 s
= 1.73 m/s

Then I did v = (1.73)(2) = 3.46 m/s
This is correct
Not really. There's no good reason to divide 4.5 m by 2.6 s as those two quantities don't have anything to do with each other.

(b) Using the same Slinky stretched to the same length, a standing wave is created which consists of 5 antinodes and 6 nodes including both ends. What is the wavelength of the wave?
I keep getting stuck on this one, and (c) below. I know this answer should be in meters.
Start by drawing a picture of a snapshot of the standing wave. You can then identify what fraction of the length of the Slinky is equal to one wavelength.

(c) At what frequency must the Slinky be oscillating?
I know this answer should be in Hz.

Im not sure which equations to use for (b) and (c)

Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
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CMATT said:
(a) A wave traveling on a Slinky® that is stretched to 4.5 m takes 2.6 s to travel the length of the Slinky and back again. What is the speed of the wave?

read the question again, do you see where you made a mistake in your assumption ?
Note particularly the length, total length and travel time :wink:

Dave
 
You need to identify the nodes and anti-nodes.
What is the distance between them?
A diagram would be useful in this regard.
The waves being referred to are probably compressional waves, so if you have studied sound waves which
travel by compressions and rarefactions, then how do these relate to wavelength.
Also, you know that if the Slinky is stretched to the same length then the tension in the Slinky is constant.
How does tension relate to frequency and wavelength?
Hope you find these comments useful.
 
J Hann said:
You need to identify the nodes and anti-nodes.
What is the distance between them?
A diagram would be useful in this regard.
The waves being referred to are probably compressional waves, so if you have studied sound waves which
travel by compressions and rarefactions, then how do these relate to wavelength.
Also, you know that if the Slinky is stretched to the same length then the tension in the Slinky is constant.
How does tension relate to frequency and wavelength?
Hope you find these comments useful.

Yes I made a diagram, it was very useful.
I figured it out! Thank you for your help
 
davenn said:
read the question again, do you see where you made a mistake in your assumption ?
Note particularly the length, total length and travel time :wink:

Dave
Thanks for your help Dave!
 
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