Wavefunction and Electron Configuration (Toughy of the Day)

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The discussion centers around a wave function for an electron, exploring its implications for quantum numbers, subshell identification, and ionization energy. The subject area involves quantum mechanics, specifically the behavior of electrons in atoms and wave functions associated with hydrogen-like systems.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the normalization of the wave function and how to extract quantum number data from it. There are questions about fitting the given wave function to known forms and whether simplifications can be made. Some participants suggest comparing the wave function to general solutions of hydrogen-like atoms to identify quantum numbers.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the normalization process and the interpretation of terms in the wave function. Some guidance has been offered regarding the general form of wave functions and how to determine quantum numbers, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the specific form of the wave function and its relation to standard tables of hydrogen-like wave functions. Participants express uncertainty about boundaries for integration and the need for potential simplifications.

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The wave function for a particular electron is given by:

Psi= 4/(9√(4π)) * (6/a)^(3/2) * (r/a)^2 * e^(2i(phi) - (2r)/a) * sin^2 (θ)

a) This is an electron in which subshell?
b) This is an electron in an atom of which element?
c) What is the ionozation energy for this electron, assuming H-like behavior?
d) In a neutral atom (not H-Like) can this electron be in the ground state?
e) What is the probability of finding this electron within Bohr's radius of the nucleus?


I am not sure where to start here, I am assuming I would normalize the wave function by squaring it, but then how do I pull out quantum number data? I am very confused here.. Could someone please walk me through this or point me in the right direction.
 
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The problem wouldn't make much sense if you haven't already seen the general solution of a hydrogen-like atom. You will want to write this solution down in terms of the general solutions [tex]\psi_{nlm}[/tex] in order to answer parts a,b and d.
 
that is where I am confused. I see the hydrogen like wavefunction tables that contain R and (Theta Phi) values, but my function here does not fit any of them. Am I suppose to do something to the wave function first? If I am suppose to normalize then what would my boundaries be? and do I need to separate terms before integration. i haven't been able to find an example like this problem... and i have been stuck for 2 days now.
 
Sapper6 said:
that is where I am confused. I see the hydrogen like wavefunction tables that contain R and (Theta Phi) values, but my function here does not fit any of them. Am I suppose to do something to the wave function first? If I am suppose to normalize then what would my boundaries be? and do I need to separate terms before integration. i haven't been able to find an example like this problem... and i have been stuck for 2 days now.

There is the possibility that this wavefunction is a linear combination of the solutions in your list, but I don't believe that it would be since this solution has definite [tex]nlm[/tex] quantum numbers. Compare the degrees of this wavefunction to the degrees of the ones in your list in order to determine the [tex]nlm[/tex] quantum numbers. The relevant parts of the equation are

[tex]\psi = A r^2 e^{-2r/a} \sin^2\theta e^{2i\phi}[/tex]

in order to determine the [tex]nlm[/tex] quantum numbers.
 
sorry i am a pain in the butt here, but now I am even more confused... how did you simplify down to that? all of functions in my table retain a Z^(3/2) term, but none have exponential like this or sin^2 theta
 
He simplified it down by putting all of your constants into A and splitting up your exponential into its two separate parts. Otherwise its the same as what you wrote down in your first post (except of course its in tex code).

The whole point of the question which you put in your first post, is to make you realize how you can determine the quantum numbers just from looking at wavefunction. You don't need to compare it to any specific wavefunctions you may have in a table and hope you find the matching one.

The only thing you really need to know is the general form of the wavefunction, then you can compare the exponents in the wavefunction you've been given to the general form.
 
Just to add, while comparing the degrees of this solution to the general solution would be the easiest way to determine the quantum numbers, you should also know that you can always act on a solution with the [tex]L^2[/tex] and [tex]L_z[/tex] operators to find the [tex]\ell, m_\ell[/tex] quantum numbers. The [tex]n[/tex] quantum number would come out if you substituted the solution into the radial equation. That's a lot more work, but it's fundamental knowledge that you will need at some point.
 
Does this mean I can just use the sin'2 in angular part to assign l and m equal to 2 and then determine n from there? Even if the functions don't match exactly.
 
Sapper6 said:
Does this mean I can just use the sin'2 in angular part to assign l and m equal to 2 and then determine n from there? Even if the functions don't match exactly.

It's easier to read off m=2 from the [tex]\phi[/tex] dependence, but this is an l=2,m=2 state. The angular part of any l=2, m=2 state has to be

[tex]\sin^2\theta e^{2i\theta},[/tex]

so I'm assuming that when you say "the functions don't match exactly" you might be talking about needing to compute a change of variables in the radial function or normalization coefficient.
 

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