Wavelength for highest radiation per unit wavelength

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The discussion revolves around determining the wavelength at which a cavity at 6000 degrees Kelvin radiates most per unit wavelength, utilizing the Planck radiation formula.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the cancellation of terms in the radiation formula and the implications of differentiating the expression to find the maximum radiation wavelength. There is uncertainty about the complexity of solving for the wavelength.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on differentiating the radiation expression and suggested using a dimensionless variable to simplify the problem. Others have noted a realization of an alternative approach using Wien's Displacement Law, indicating a productive exploration of methods.

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There is mention of the difficulty in solving for the wavelength directly and the potential confusion arising from the equation's structure. Participants are also navigating the nuances of formatting equations in the forum.

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Homework Statement


At what wavelength does a cavity at 6000 degrees Kelvin radiate most per unit wavelength?


Homework Equations


$$\rho_T(\lambda)d\lambda=\frac{8\pi{hc}}{\lambda^5}\frac{d\lambda}{e^{{hc}/{\lambda{kT}}}-1}$$


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm pretty new to this whole topic, so don't judge me if I'm totally off...
First off can't the $$d\lambda$$'s cancel each other out? I'm not sure why the book I am using writes this equation like they did if they could cancel out that easily, but anyways I got rid of them because it seems to just make this more confusing for me otherwise.
So I figured if it wants the wavelength for highest radiation (per unit wavelength), I should take the derivative of $$\rho_T(\lambda)d\lambda$$ with respect to the wavelength, and set that expression equal to zero.
However now I am at an impasse, seeing as how solving for lambda would probably be really difficult, and I am not even sure if I am working in the correct direction. Any help would be appreciated much. Thanks
 
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skate_nerd said:

Homework Statement


At what wavelength does a cavity at 6000 degrees Kelvin radiate most per unit wavelength?

Homework Equations


$$\rho_T(\lambda)d\lambda=\frac{8\pi{hc}}{\lambda^5}\frac{d\lambda}{e^{{hc}/{\lambda{kT}}}-1}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm pretty new to this whole topic, so don't judge me if I'm totally off...
First off can't the $$d\lambda$$'s cancel each other out? I'm not sure why the book I am using writes this equation like they did if they could cancel out that easily, but anyways I got rid of them because it seems to just make this more confusing for me otherwise.
So I figured if it wants the wavelength for highest radiation (per unit wavelength), I should take the derivative of $$\rho_T(\lambda)d\lambda$$ with respect to the wavelength, and set that expression equal to zero.
However now I am at an impasse, seeing as how solving for lambda would probably be really difficult, and I am not even sure if I am working in the correct direction. Any help would be appreciated much. Thanks

You are working in the correct direction. Differentiate ##\rho_T(\lambda)## and set it equal to zero. It is hard to solve. But if you set ##x=\frac{hc}{\lambda{kT}}## and express the whole expression in terms of the dimensionless variable x you'll get a single equation for x you can solve numerically. See Wien's Displacement Law.
 
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I actually did all that a bit ago and solved to get a wavelength of 4798 angstroms, aka blue light. Sounds about right. Then about 20 seconds ago I just realized I could have avoided that whole mess and simply used Wien's Displacement Law. Got me the same exact answer. -_- oh well
 
By the way, I am not new to LaTeX but how do you write an equation on this site without using the double dollar signs? Obviously "\(___\)" doesn't work...
 
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By the way, I am not new to LaTeX but how do you write an equation on this site without using the double dollar signs? Obviously "\(___\)" doesn't work...

Use double '#' signs if you want the math to stay on the same line.
 
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