How do we use UV values in spectral analysis to identify molecules?

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The discussion revolves around the use of ultraviolet (UV) values in spectral analysis to identify molecules, focusing on the dissociation of hydrogen iodide (HI) and the implications of photon wavelengths in this context. Participants explore concepts related to bond dissociation energy, excess energy calculations, and the practical aspects of producing specific photon wavelengths.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help with a problem involving the dissociation of HI using photons of specific wavelengths, asking for the longest wavelength that can dissociate HI, excess energy calculations, and the speed of H atoms post-dissociation.
  • Another participant suggests using the bond dissociation energy to solve for the longest wavelength and to calculate excess energy and speed, indicating a methodical approach to the problem.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the bond dissociation energy, indicating a gap in knowledge necessary for solving the problem.
  • One reply defines bond dissociation energy as the energy required to break a bond, providing clarification for those unfamiliar with the term.
  • Questions arise about the feasibility of producing a photon with a wavelength of 254 nm and the range of wavelengths available in the UV spectrum, with some participants confirming that it is possible to produce such a photon.
  • Another participant inquires about the application of UV values in spectral analysis, particularly regarding the Lyman and Paschen series, and how to confirm predictions made by these models.
  • A response discusses how certain molecules absorb UV radiation and how this can be measured using a UV spectrophotometer, highlighting the role of absorption in identifying molecules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and concepts related to bond dissociation energy and the production of photons in the UV range. However, there are unresolved questions regarding the specific values needed for calculations and the practical implications of spectral analysis techniques.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about specific values such as bond dissociation energy, which may depend on the context or definitions used. The discussion also touches on the limitations of knowledge regarding the practical aspects of UV photon production and spectral analysis methods.

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Wavelengths and dissociation??

I needed some help with this problem.

By using photons of specific wavelengths, chemists can dissociate gaseous HI to produce H atoms with accurately known speeds. When HI dissociates, the H atoms move away rapidly, wheras the relatively heavy I atoms move little.

a.) What is the longest wavelength that can dissociate a molecule of HI.
b.) If a photon of 254 nm is used, what is the excess energy (in J) over that needed for the dissociation?
c.) If all this excess energy is carried away by the H atom as kinetic energy, what is the speed(in m/s)?

i did part b but i got the wrong answer. I used the equation E=hc/wavelength. But i got the wrong answer.

Thanks.
 
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a.) What is the longest wavelength that can dissociate a molecule of HI.

Bond dissociation energy=hv=h(c/wavelength), solve for wavelength.


b.) If a photon of 254 nm is used, what is the excess energy (in J) over that needed for the dissociation?

well, by now you know the energy required so this should be easy.
Find the energy corresponding to the above wavelength. Subtract the bond dissociation energy from this.

c.) If all this excess energy is carried away by the H atom as kinetic energy, what is the speed(in m/s)?

KE=.5mv(squared), solve for v, where KE is the answer to part b.
 
The problem is that i don't know what the bond dissociation energy is.
 
Without having seriously read this post I'll answer your last question.
Bond dissociation energy is the energy required to break a bond. It is the energy that is holding the bonds together. It is the energy required to dissociate a bond.
 
Question for GeneralChemTutor,

Can we produce a photon with 254nm wavelength?

What is the range that we can produce in the UV part of the spectrum?


LPF
 
Can we produce a photon with 254nm wavelength?

Yes.

I believe that the range for the UV spectrum is between 100-400nm.
 
GeneralChemTutor,

How does science work with UV values in spectral analysis since it is unseen? Energy, Temperature ?? Lyman series predicts - how do we confirm? (also looking for same idea w/ Paschen series - IR)


LPF
 
How does science work with UV values in spectral analysis since it is unseen? Energy, Temperature ?? Lyman series predicts - how do we confirm? (also looking for same idea w/ Paschen series - IR)

Some molecules absorb radiation within the UV range. So for instance, to ascertain between a sample which contains a certain molecule (which we know to absorb UV rays) and another (which does not), we can place both samples in a UV spectrophotometer and measure the degree of absorption. Absorption indicates that the UV rays were not reflected in any way or simply transferred throughout the molecule but that it induced a change within a molecule for instance in dislocating an electron or moving it up to a higher molecular orbital.
 

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