Waves and Sound - Bat Chirp/Echo?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving sound waves and echoes, specifically related to a bat's chirping behavior and the timing of echoes. The context includes calculating the minimum distance to an object based on the duration of the bat's chirps and the speed of sound in air.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the duration of the bat's chirps and the time it takes for sound to travel to an object and back. There are questions about the interpretation of the time given and whether it represents a one-way or round-trip distance. Some participants explore the concept of wavelength and its relevance to the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying their understanding of the time intervals involved and the implications for distance calculation. There is a recognition that the time given relates to the round trip of the sound, leading to further exploration of how to correctly determine the minimum distance to the object.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the interpretation of the problem and the relevance of concepts like wavelength and interference, indicating a need for further clarification on these topics.

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Homework Statement



When near an object, a bat decreases the duration of its chirps and the time interval between chirps.
If the chirps last 3 x 10-4 s, what is the minimum distance for an object at which the first part of the echo overlaps the ending of the chirp? Note: the speed of sound in air is 344 m/s.

Homework Equations



d = vav x t ?

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I don't think I have the right idea with this problem. My teacher told me to use the above equation but what does that determine? length?

I don't understand: ...what is the minimum distance for an object at which the first part of the echo overlaps the ending of the chirp?
I drew a diagram (required) of chirps to an object and then the echo off of the object, but still can't figure out how I would find minimum distance.

This is what I tried:
d = vav x t; = 344 m/s x (3 x 10-4 s); = 0.1032 m
I don't even know if that's correct, but I'm stuck at that...
 
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I guess it means that the bat receives the first part of the echo just as it finishes the burst.
 
BOYLANATOR said:
I guess it means that the bat receives the first part of the echo just as it finishes the burst.

Okay... I kind of understand it now, but I'm still not sure how I could figure it out.
My teacher also told me something about it having 1.5 total wavelength or something?
I don't know what that means though.
 
In 3 x 10-4 secs the sound must have traveled to the object and then back to the bat. Can you work out how far the object must have been?

Your teacher was probably talking about constructive/destructive interference of waves but if we have interpreted the question properly this is not relevant.
 
I thought the 3 x 10-4 s was just the chirp going to the object, and not back?

d = vav x t; = 344 m/s x (3 x 10-4 s); = 0.1032 m
Wouldn't this be the distance at which the object is at?
 
No, the time given is the duration of each chirp he makes. But if the first part of the echo arrives back as the bat finishes its chirp, then it must have traveled there and back in that time.
 
BOYLANATOR said:
No, the time given is the duration of each chirp he makes. But if the first part of the echo arrives back as the bat finishes its chirp, then it must have traveled there and back in that time.
Okay that makes sense.
Since the time given is the time measured when it travels to the object and back, is it correct if I divide the distance I calculated by 2?

d = vav x t; = 344 m/s x (3 x 10-4 s); = 0.1032 m
0.1032 m / 2 = 0.0516 m
 
That looks good to me.
 

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