Waves: Find mass of an object given L, Frequency & Density

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an oscillator attached to a string and a mass, with the goal of determining the mass required for the string to oscillate in its fourth harmonic. The context includes parameters such as the distance between the oscillator and pulley, the linear mass density of the string, and the frequency of the oscillator.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between frequency, wave speed, and mass density, with one participant expressing uncertainty about how to begin the problem. Others suggest researching standing waves and clarify the significance of linear mass density.

Discussion Status

Some participants have derived equations related to the problem and are attempting to solve for the mass. There is a recognition of unit conversion issues, and one participant has successfully calculated the mass but seeks further understanding of unit consistency in their equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the implications of linear mass density being expressed in grams per meter rather than kilograms per meter, which affects their calculations. There is also an emphasis on the importance of proving unit consistency in the derived equations.

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Homework Statement


An oscillator is attached to one end of a horizontal string. The other end passes over a frictionless pulley and is held taught by a mass m. The distance between the oscillator and the pulley is 1.2m. The string has a linear mass density of 1.6g/m and the frequency of the oscillator is 120Hz. What must be m mass is the string is to oscillate in its fourth harmonic?
Be sure to draw a useful well labelled picture and sketch the standing wave pattern, and prove the units work.
Answer: 0.846kg

Homework Equations


V=λF

The Attempt at a Solution


Truly don't even know where to start on this question...
The density value has me stumped...
Where do I even start?
 
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Hi Efast. Welcome to Physics Forums!

Start by investigating standing waves on a string. A web search will turn up plenty of references. For example, the Hyperphysics website entry is here.

The density is just the mass per unit length of the string. You'll see its relevance when you do your research.
 
Okay after doing some research I derived a formula;
F4 = V / (2/4)L , V = √(Ft/(m/L)).
Combine together to get; F4 = [√((Mg)/(m/l))] / (2/4)L
Solve for M = ([F4(2/4)L]^2(m/l))/g
But still not getting the correct answer...
What am I missing? Have you seen similar problems with an explanation around, I can't seem to find any similar examples around...
 
Presumably F4 is your 120 Hz. m/l is the string density 1.6 g/m. Note the units: grams per meter, not kg per meter. Do the conversion and call it ρ with units kg/m. Then your equation which you've written above looks like:

##F4 = \frac{ \sqrt{ \frac{M g}{ρ} } }{\frac{2}{4} L} = 4 \frac{ \sqrt{ \frac{M g}{ρ} } }{2 L} ##

Can you show the details of your work from there?
 
How did you make those equations look so beautiful haha
Anyways,
I used my formula to solve for M (mass of the object);
F4=4[(√Mg/ρ)]/2L
Which gave me,
M = ρ[(2L*F4)/4]/g
Which gave me; 0.846kg (CORRECT!)

Just to further my understanding; how would I prove that the units work from this equation?
 
Efast said:
How did you make those equations look so beautiful haha
LaTeX syntax, which is interpreted automatically for display. You can type in equations using LaTeX formatting and it will be rendered as you see it. To see what LaTeX syntax looks like, mouse over one of the equations and right-click. Select: Show Math As ---> TeX Commands.
Anyways,
I used my formula to solve for M (mass of the object);
F4=4[(√Mg/ρ)]/2L
Which gave me,
M = ρ[(2L*F4)/4]/g
Which gave me; 0.846kg (CORRECT!)
Well done!
Just to further my understanding; how would I prove that the units work from this equation?
Replace each variable with its units and reduce them as you would an algebraic expression. If your equation contains compound units such as Joules, you should know how to break them down in terms of more fundamental units or even dimensions (length, mass, time, charge,...).
 

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