Waves travelling between strings

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of waves as they travel between two strings of differing mass densities. Participants explore the implications of mass density on wave reflection, particularly focusing on phase differences in reflected waves and the conditions under which these occur.

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  • One participant notes that a wave reflecting off a string with a larger mass density results in a phase difference of 180 degrees, while a wave reflecting off a string with a smaller mass density has a phase difference of 0 degrees, questioning the underlying reasons for this behavior.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding the limits of mass density ratios—fixed ends and free ends—can clarify the behavior of waves in intermediate cases.
  • A participant with a background in radio engineering introduces the concept of impedance, stating that the reflection of a wave depends on the properties of the second string and its termination conditions.
  • One participant points out that if only a single pulse is considered, the reflection characteristics may not depend on how the second string is terminated.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between mass density and wave reflection, with no consensus reached on the specific mechanisms at play or the implications of different termination conditions.

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Participants highlight the importance of understanding limits and conditions, such as fixed versus free ends, and the role of impedance, but do not resolve the complexities involved in these scenarios.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in physics, particularly those studying wave mechanics, as well as professionals in engineering fields related to wave propagation and impedance matching.

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Why does the relationship between the mass density of the strings determine the phase of the reflected wave?
I just started learning about waves from an introductory calculus-based textbook (HRK) and there was a part describing what happens when a wave on a string transmits into another string (with different mass density). It said that if the wave is going into a string with a larger mass density, the reflected wave has a phase difference of 180 degrees with the original, and a phase difference of 0 if the wave is going into a string with a smaller mass density. But I don't understand why this is the case. I understand that a reflected wave from a foxed point has to have a phase difference of 180 because the fixed point can't have displacement, but I don't understand how it has to be 180 in this case. Why does the relationship between the mass density of the strings determine the phase of the reflected wave?

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WheatNeat said:
I understand that a reflected wave from a foxed point has to have a phase difference of 180 because the fixed point can't have displacement, but I don't understand how it has to be 180 in this case. Why does the relationship between the mass density of the strings determine the phase of the reflected wave?
A fixed end is just the limit of mass density ratio going to infinity, while a transversally free end is the limit of mass density ratio going to zero. If you understand what happens in these limits, then you should understand the intermediate cases.

 
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Translating from my backgound in radio engineering, the effect observed when a travelling wave reaches the boundary is going to depend on the impedance it is seeing. This depends on the properties of the second string and also whether it is free or fixed at its end and if it goes on for ever.
 
If we are considering just a single pulse, then my answer is not applicable and the reflection will not depend on how the second string is terminated.
 

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