Ways of powering vehicle that is not electricty or combustion.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around alternative methods for powering a small vehicle without using electricity, combustion, or solid rockets. Participants explore various mechanical and chemical means to achieve the goal of transporting water over a distance of 100 feet.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using compressed air or CO2, noting a lack of resources on how to implement these for a vehicle.
  • Another proposes using a flywheel as a potential power source.
  • A different participant mentions winding up a spring as a method for storing energy.
  • There is a suggestion to use compressed air vented into cylinders, referencing a source for further exploration.
  • One idea involves using a large elastic band to provide propulsion.
  • A humorous suggestion includes using gerbils in a wheel or traditional animals like horses or mules to pull the vehicle.
  • Another participant recommends using paintball air tanks for high-pressure air storage, suggesting a setup to power pneumatic tools.
  • One response proposes converting a paintball cylinder into a jet for propulsion.
  • A participant recalls using nitrous oxide gas pellets for launching model rockets and toy cars, sharing personal experiences related to physics.
  • There is a discussion about the properties of diesel and vegetable oils, with one participant mentioning the use of concentrated H2O2 as a potential energy source, while cautioning about its dangers.
  • Another participant discusses storing energy in rubber, comparing its energy storage capabilities to steel springs and sharing personal experiences with rubber band dragsters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present a variety of ideas and methods without reaching a consensus. Multiple competing views and approaches remain, reflecting differing opinions on the feasibility and effectiveness of each proposed solution.

Contextual Notes

Some suggestions depend on specific assumptions about materials and their properties, such as the energy storage capabilities of rubber versus synthetic alternatives. The discussion also highlights the need for further exploration of practical implementations of the proposed ideas.

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As part of my introductory engineering class this year, I have to work with a group to build a small vehicle (no bigger that 2ftx2ftx3ft) that can carry some water up to 250 ft. However, we cannot use any electricity, anything flammable or solid rockets. So right now I'm at a loss as to how to give this thing enough power to carry 1/2 lb. of water 100 ft. (my goal right now).

Compressed air, CO2, and chemical reactions are fine, but I haven't found any good resources on how to make use of any of those for a car type thing that needs to carry something.

Any ideas or resources I could look into?
 
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Flywheel?
 
windup a spring?
 
HyperSniper said:
Compressed air, CO2, and chemical reactions are fine, but I haven't found any good resources on how to make use of any of those for a car type thing that needs to carry something.

Compressed air can be vented into cylinders like an internal combustion engine. You could start by looking at how http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4251491.html do it...
 
Mahhosive elastic band?
 
gerbils running in a wheel!

Or, on a more reasonable, if "old-fashioned" note, horses, mules or oxen pulling the vehicle.
 
You should try to find someone that paint ball's. Paintball air tanks can be pressurized to 4500 psi safely and hold easily 70cu. Take two of these puppies and hook up a cheap home depot regulator and you have enough air to power a pneumatic tool like a sander or grinder. You could even use the exhaust of the first unit to power a smaller one. Add some pulleys and belts to the mix and you'll be all set.
 
Forget the pneumatic tools. Just turn that paint ball cylinder into a jet.
 

give this thing enough power to carry 1/2 lb. of water 100 ft. (my goal right now).

When I was an elementary student, we used 'Nitrous Oxide gas pellets' to launch homemade model rockets, suspended on a string, horizontally across the school lawn. And when I was a Boy Scout, we used them to launch toy model race cars down a curved ramp.

A 'cracker' is used to punch a hole in the nozzle.

Good memories, and a lot of fun!. . . I wonder what motivated me into physics anyway?
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What are the exact words used? Diesel oil isn't flammable under normal conditions... Nor is vegetable oil, and though many Diesel engines run very well on vegetable oil.

You could even end up to concentrated H2O2. Not exactly flammable, but high energy contents, and pretty much dangerous (huge boom with no good reason). Was used as a monopropellant for rockets, still used for torpedoes.

--------- OK, without cheating then:

For simplicity, I would store energy in rubber. Natural rubber stores more energy per kg and per dm3 than steel springs do, this energy is easily converted in a movement, and force/displacements adapt more easily to a vehicle.

Beware most synthetic rubbers (especially polyurethane) are slow and don't give all the energy back - they creep a lot. And beware no rubber is reproducible nor predictible.

As a child I built dragsters with Lego and rubber bands. Fun. Damned fast. Now Lego sells some, of course not as good as mines. I just pulled the rubber by winding it around the axle, but twisting it as in a toy plane would work for a longer distance.
 

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