Website Title: How Can Limits Help Solve This Word Problem with Intervals?

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving limits and polynomial equations. Participants are tasked with demonstrating a relationship between a series of coefficients and a polynomial evaluated at specific points within the interval [0, 1]. The focus is on theoretical approaches rather than direct computation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the use of limits and Rolle's theorem to analyze the behavior of a polynomial function. There is discussion about the continuity and differentiability of the function, as well as the implications of the theorem's hypotheses on the problem at hand.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions and definitions involved. Some have provided hints and suggestions for applying Rolle's theorem, while others are verifying the conditions necessary for its application. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the evaluated polynomial at the endpoints of the interval.

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There is uncertainty regarding the equality of the polynomial evaluated at the endpoints of the interval, which is crucial for applying Rolle's theorem. Participants are encouraged to clarify their understanding of the problem's requirements and the implications of their findings.

  • #31
F'(c)= 0 tells you that some c, when plugged into this equation: a_0 + a_1x + ... + a_nx^n is a zero. The problem is asking you to prove that a_0 + a_1c + ... + a_nc^n is equal to zero.
 
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OK, so it is done. Now, do you think you understand it well enough that you could write an organized argument that's about 5 lines long that works the problem from start to finish?
 
  • #33
I think I can try.

In the context of this problem, Rolle's Theorem tells us that there exists a c in (0,1) such that F'(c)=0. The integral of a0 + a1x + … + anxn is a0n + a1x^2/2 + … + anxn^2/2. When you plug in zero and one (a and b) into the equation, f(a) and f(b) are equal to zero (and equal to each other), thereby supporting one of the three hypotheses of the Rolle’s Theorem. The other hypotheses states that the function is differentiable on the interval which it is because the derivative of the integrated equation is the original equation. Subsequently, the function is continuous on that interval, supporting the last of the hypotheses of the Rolle’s Theorem.

^Sorry for the lack of LaTeX in that summary- I hope it is still clear enough.
 
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Justabeginner said:
I think I can try.

In the context of this problem, Rolle's Theorem tells us that there exists a c in (0,1) such that F'(c)=0. The integral of a0 + a1x + … + anxn is a0n + a1x^2/2 + … + anxn^2/2. When you plug in zero and one (a and b) into the equation, f(a) and f(b) are equal to zero (and equal to each other), thereby supporting one of the three hypotheses of the Rolle’s Theorem. The other hypotheses states that the function is differentiable on the interval which it is because the derivative of the integrated equation is the original equation. Subsequently, the function is continuous on that interval, supporting the last of the hypotheses of the Rolle’s Theorem.

^Sorry for the lack of LaTeX in that summary- I hope it is still clear enough.

If this were a real class and you were to hand in this problem, you would begin with a statement of the problem including what you are given and what you are to prove, like this:

Show that if \frac{a_0}{1} + \frac{a_1}{2} + ... \frac{a_n}{(n+1)} = 0

then a_0 + a_1x + ... + a_nx^n = 0 for some x in the interval [0, 1]. Then your argument would begin like this. Let:
$$
F(x) = \int_0^x a_0+a_1t+...+a_nt^n\, dt =
a_0x + \frac{a_1x^2}{2} + ... + \frac{a_nx^{n+1}}{n+1}$$

At this point you would observe that since ##F## is a polynomial, both it and its derivative exist and are continuous on [0,1]. Now you observe that obviously ##F(0)=0## and$$
F(1) =a_0 + \frac{a_1}{2} + ... + \frac{a_n}{n+1}$$which is given to be ##0##. So you have ##F(1)=F(0)##.

That completes checking the hypotheses of Rolle's theorem so now you state the conclusion: There exists a ##c## in (0,1) such that ##F'(c) = 0##. Since$$
F'(x) = a_0 + a_1x + ... + a_nx^n$$this says that$$
a_0 + a_1c + ... + a_nc^n=0$$which is what we were trying to prove (we have found the required value of x).

I would normally not give a complete writeup such as this, but since you are learning the subject on your own, I thought you might learn something from a proper writeup.
 
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  • #35
Professor Kurtz, thank you so much for going over this with me in detail. I truly appreciate it. I didn't know the format for a 'proof' of this kind (or that it is required to write it in this way). I can say that I understand the material now, and it is all thanks to you.
 

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