Chemistry Wedge-and-dash Molecular Structures in 2-dimensions

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The discussion focuses on creating a wedge-and-dash, 2-dimensional molecular structure for Vitamin C (ascorbic acid, C6H8O6). Participants highlight the common issue of incomplete diagrams that fail to accurately represent all carbon and hydrogen atoms, as well as the proper use of wedges and dashes to indicate stereochemistry. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding stereocenters in ascorbic acid, specifically noting that there are two stereocenters, one associated with a hydroxyl group and the other with a lactone ring. Accurate representation of these features is crucial for conveying the correct molecular geometry.

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  • Understanding of molecular geometry and stereochemistry
  • Familiarity with wedge-and-dash notation in organic chemistry
  • Knowledge of the molecular structure of Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)
  • Ability to interpret 3D molecular models
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  • Learn how to accurately draw wedge-and-dash representations for complex molecules
  • Explore 3D molecular visualization tools like Chem3D or Jmol
  • Study the stereochemistry of other organic compounds to practice drawing techniques
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I'm having trouble drawing a wedge-and-dash, 2 dimensional molecular structure for Vitamin C (ascorbic acid). All of the diagrams I've looked at (on the Wikipedia page, and some .edu websites) are incomplete: they either don't include the carbon and/or hydrogens molecules, or the wedges and dashes

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I've tried drawing it based on other diagrams found on the internet, but they are all incomplete (none of them actually inclde C6H8O6 (6 carbon, 8 hydrogen, and 6 oxygen). As I said earlier, the creators of the 2d diagrams often omit some of the carbons and hydrogens, or don't put in the wedges/dashes.

I've also tried looking at 3d models to figure out when wedges and dashes should be put in, but its hard to tell whether or not the angle of the bond is coming towards you, away from you, or neither one.

I've mostly been using this website to try and figure out how to do this.

http://www.3dchem.com/molecules.asp?ID=69#
 
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The stereochemistry you are asking about usually is shown only for select carbons... the ones that exhibit stereochemistry. In ascorbic acid there are two stereocenters. One bears a hydroxyl and the other is attached to the lactone ring. The hydrogen at that carbon is dashed in the Wiki drawing. Since the hydrogen is dashed, the carbon of the side chain (not the cyclic structure) is assumed to be wedged. It is difficult to show the absolute stereochemistry about that carbon by wedging the 2 carbon side chain but it is wedged nonetheless.

The stereochemistry about the adjacent carbon bearing the hydroxyl shows the OH group as being wedged. The hydrogen attached to the same carbon is not shown but is assumed to be dashed.
 
Thanks for your help! I wasn't familiar with a lot of the terminology you used (sophomore in high school) but I think I mostly understood what you were saying. Here's what I came up with (let me know if I got it right/wrong):
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7160/2ddrawing.png
 
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I can't decipher the stereochemistry around the carbon bearing the OH on the side chain. You have the hydrogen, hydroxyl and the lactone ring all wedged. This means that they are all coming up out of the plane of the drawing. This makes understanding the stereochemistry about that carbon impossible.
 

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