Weight Distribution: Solving for Tension in a Hawser System

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The problem involves a hawser system with a mass of 400kg suspended from a ceiling, requiring the calculation of tension in the hawsers AC and BC. The context includes understanding the forces acting on the mass and how they relate to tension in the hawsers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the forces acting on the mass and the concept of tension. There are attempts to apply Newton's laws and the sine law to relate the tensions in the hawsers. Questions arise regarding the assumptions about the distribution of tension and the angles involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of force components and the sine law, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or final solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and relationships between tension and force, as well as the implications of the angles in the system. There is mention of a lack of accessible materials in different languages, which may affect understanding.

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Homework Statement


In the illustration there is a hawser attached to the ceiling at points A and B. Attached to point C is a mass of 400kg.

Find the tension in the hawsers AC and BC.


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I have no idea how to go about this one. I can't find any materials in English about this that are understandable and in my own language things are vague to begin with :/
What is tension? This much I have figured out in my head that it's a force and its unit is 1N or that would make sense.
But how do I find the tension.

I know that the weight of the mass is 3920N and it should be distributed between those 2 holding hawsers in some proportion. Does it mean that the sum of the tensions in the hawsers will have to be mg?
 

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Hello,

I hope my attached photo helps.
 

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So what I understand is that point B is pulling the weight attached to point C by F1 and point A is pulling it by F2. Considering the mass is still then according to Newton the sums of these forces will have to be 0.
so F1 + F2 + mg = 0 (sum of vectors)

If that's true I understand the idea, but how do I put it on paper with this assignment.

Can I use this?
the sine law or theorem or how it s called in English:
A/sina = B/sinb so in this assignment F2/sin30 = F1/sin50 and using the a/b = c/d => ad = cb rule I get that
F1/F2 = sin50/sin30
sin50/sin30 = 1.532 so F1 = 1.532F2

But something doesn't feel right, isn t F2 supposed to be > F1, I mean, it's closer to being in a vertical position compared to F1 so isn t it supposed to have more tension not less :s
 
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hell,

i would use sum on x and sum on y.

In this example F1x=F2x; F1*cos30=F2*cos50...
 

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Oh okay, so F1 = F2*cos50/cos30 - so my assumption is correct, the closer the hawser gets to a vertical position, the bigger the tension gets?
Thank you, mishek, I understand how you approached this, cheers.
 
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