Weyl Spinors & Helicity: Explained

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The discussion centers on the properties of Weyl spinors, particularly their helicity and spin states, in the context of massless particles such as neutrinos. Participants explore the implications of these properties and express confusion regarding the measurement of spin in different directions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that Weyl spinors are 2-dimensional spinors that describe massless particles with definite helicities, where a right-handed Weyl spinor's spin points along its direction of motion.
  • Others note that while each spin component of a Weyl spinor can take values of ##\pm 1/2##, helicity is restricted to +1/2 for right-handed and -1/2 for left-handed Weyl spinors.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how a right-handed Weyl spinor can have its spin consistently aligned with its direction of motion while also being a spin-1/2 particle, questioning the outcomes of measuring spin along different axes.
  • Another participant clarifies that the components of a right-handed Weyl spinor include the right-handed particle and the left-handed anti-particle, and discusses the lack of experimental evidence for right-handed neutrinos.
  • There is a question raised about the representation of left-handed neutrinos and right-handed anti-neutrinos in terms of Weyl spinors and the implications for measuring spin in directions perpendicular to motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and confusion regarding the implications of helicity and spin measurements for Weyl spinors. There is no consensus on how to interpret the behavior of spin in different measurement contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of measuring spin states in relation to the direction of motion, indicating potential limitations in understanding the implications of helicity and spin alignment.

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Hello! So Weyl spinors are 2 dimensional spinors which describe massless particles and have definite helicities. So if we have a right handed Weyl spinor going along the positive x-axis, it's spin will always point along the positive x-axis too. I am a bit confused how can an object have 2 spin states, yet it's spin can point only in a given direction. I guess I am missing something. Can someone explain to me how does this work?
 
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For a Weyl spinor each spin component can take two values ##\pm 1/2##, but the helicity can only be either +1/2 for the right-handed or -1/2 for the left-handed Weyl spinor. The math is nicely summarized at Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weyl_equation
 
vanhees71 said:
For a Weyl spinor each spin component can take two values ##\pm 1/2##, but the helicity can only be either +1/2 for the right-handed or -1/2 for the left-handed Weyl spinor. The math is nicely summarized at Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weyl_equation
Thank you for your reply. But I am still not sure I understand. A right handed Weyl spinor, will have it's spin pointing along its direction of motion (say x) during its entire existence. Now in the case of an electron, if the spin is along x and I measure it along z, I get half of the time +1/2 and half of the time -1/2. But in the case of the Weyl spinor, I am not even sure what I get. Due to the fact that it is a spin half particle (I think they even used it to describe neutrino) I would expect to also get 50-50 up and down along z. But having right polarization all the time it's spin can't be along the z axis, as it has to be all the time along the x axis. I am just so confused.
 
kelly0303 said:
A right handed Weyl spinor, will have it's spin pointing along its direction of motion (say x) during its entire existence.
The components of a right-handed Weyl spinor are the right-handed particle and the left-handed anti-particle.

In the case of massless neutrinos, they would be left-handed Weyl spinors containing the left-handed neutrino and the right-handed anti-neutrino. We currently have no experimental evidence for the existence of right-handed neutrinos (or left-handed anti-neutrinos).
 
Orodruin said:
The components of a right-handed Weyl spinor are the right-handed particle and the left-handed anti-particle.

In the case of massless neutrinos, they would be left-handed Weyl spinors containing the left-handed neutrino and the right-handed anti-neutrino. We currently have no experimental evidence for the existence of right-handed neutrinos (or left-handed anti-neutrinos).
So for example ##(1,0)^T## can represent a left-handed neutrino and ##(0,1)^T## a right-handed anti-neutrino. Is this right? But can we tell anything about its spin along a given axis, other than the one along it moves? As I said before, if you measure its spin on a direction perpendicular to the direction of motion, what would you get?
 

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