What angle does the hanging mass make?

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The problem involves a mass hanging from a string at a latitude of 50° north, examining the angle of deviation from the Earth's radius due to the Earth's rotation. The context includes concepts from physics related to forces acting on the mass, specifically gravitational force and centripetal force, while considering the Earth as a spherical body.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the drawing of a free body diagram, identifying the forces acting on the mass, including tension, gravitational force, and centripetal force. Questions arise about the direction of these forces and the angle between them, particularly in relation to the latitude.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the forces involved, with some participants providing clarifications about the nature of centripetal force and its representation in diagrams. Various interpretations of the forces and their directions are being examined, indicating a productive dialogue without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion stemming from different terminologies used by instructors and textbooks regarding gravitational force and tension, which may affect the understanding of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


At a latitude of 50° north a mass is hanged by a massless string. By the means of an angle how much does the mass deviate from the Earth's radius due to rotation of the earth? Consider the Earth as a spherical body.

Homework Equations


Fcp=mv^2/r
w=dθ/dt
v=wr

The Attempt at a Solution


I have made a drawing show Earth as a circle at whose latitude of 50
degrees a point on its circumference is connected by radius of a small circle of that latitude and R of earth. acceleration is directed along its r.
r=Rcosθ
How do i draw a free body diagram for thic situation. Three forces T,mg,Fcp are in play and i know only that the θ between mg and Fcp is 50°. Where is tension directed at?[/B]
 
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Tension is always along the string.
diredragon said:
and i know only that the θ between mg and Fcp is 50°
Be careful with the direction here. At the equator one is pointing inwards, the other is pointing directly outwards, so here you would have an angle of 180°. At 50° N the angle is different - but not 50°. It is still larger than 90°.

You can determine the magnitude of both Fcp and mg as function of the unknown mass.
 
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Homework Statement


How do i draw a free body diagram for thic situation. Three forces T,mg,Fcp are in play and i know only that the θ between mg and Fcp is 50°. Where is tension directed at?[/B]

Fcp doesn't belong on the diagram as a force. It's not a force, per se. It's the net force, or vector sum of T and Fg, where Fg is the gravitational force.
 
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The gravitational force should point towards the center of Earth.
 
Yes, but the whole diagram is tilted with respect to the Earth one. Mg is drawn so that it acts towards the radius.
 
Note that some instructors and textbook authors present this scenario in a way that mg and T are equal in magnitude, opposite in direction. They will insist either that g be called the free fall acceleration or that mg be called the apparent weight, or perhaps both. Other instructors and textbook authors will instead say that mg equals the gravitational force or the true weight, or perhaps both. This is a confusion made worse when an instructor does it one way and the textbook another.

The best way to eliminate the confusion is refer only to Fg and T, where Fg is the gravitational force calculated using Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. For an observer standing on the equator of a spherical Earth these two forces are opposite in direction, but they are not equal in magnitude. For the observer at a latitude of 50o they are neither equal in magnitude nor opposite in direction. But their vector sum has a magnitude of mv2/r.
 

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