What Are Complex Numbers and How Can They Simplify Your Calculations?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around complex numbers, focusing on their forms, conversions between Cartesian and polar representations, and their applications in calculations. Participants share resources, tips, and personal experiences related to understanding and using complex numbers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek resources for understanding complex numbers, specifically their conversion between forms.
  • One participant suggests that converting between Cartesian and polar forms is similar to converting between rectangular and polar coordinates in the real plane.
  • Another participant provides a detailed example of converting a complex number from Cartesian to polar form, including the use of the complex exponential.
  • Some participants recommend using graphing calculators, such as the TI-89 or Voyage 200, to assist with calculations, while others argue that understanding the concepts is essential and calculators may not address foundational issues.
  • One participant introduces Euler's identity and presents a method for calculating pi, although the relevance of this to the main topic is not universally acknowledged.
  • There is a suggestion to familiarize oneself with the graphical interpretation of sine and cosine in relation to complex numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the usefulness of calculators versus understanding the underlying concepts. While some agree on the importance of comprehension, others emphasize the convenience of computational tools. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to learning about complex numbers.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express difficulty with the conversion process and understanding the graphical representation of complex numbers, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge. There are also differing views on the role of technology in learning mathematics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals seeking to understand complex numbers, their representations, and the interplay between computational tools and conceptual understanding.

Atilla1982
Messages
18
Reaction score
0
Anyone got a good link to a place that explains complex numbers?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
What do you want to know about them?
 
I'm having a hard time rewriting from one form to another, carthesian - polar and so on.
 
Well, the procedure is essentially identical to converting between rectangular and polar coordinates on the good ol' real plane, so if that's where you're having trouble, you can pick up one of your old textbooks and review.
 
Atilla1982 said:
I'm having a hard time rewriting from one form to another, carthesian - polar and so on.
As Hurkyl said, just think of the good ole plane here.

Examples:
Suppose that a complex number z is given by:
z=a+ib
where a,b are real numbers, and i the imaginary unit.
Then, multiply z with 1 in the following manner:
z=\frac{\sqrt{a^{2}+b^{2}}}{\sqrt{a^{2}+b^{2}}}(a+ib)={\sqrt{a^{2}+b^{2}}}(\frac{a}{\sqrt{a^{2}+b^{2}}}+i\frac{b}{\sqrt{a^{2}+b^{2}}})
Find the angle \theta that is the solution of the system of equations:
\frac{a} {\sqrt{a^{2}+b^{2}}}=\cos\theta,\frac{b}{\sqrt{a^{2}+b^{2}}}=\sin\theta
Thus, defining |z|={\sqrt{a^{2}+b^{2}}}, we get:
z=|z|(\cos\theta+i\sin\theta)=|z|e^{i\theta}
by definition of the complex exponential.
 
buy a ti 89 or voyage 200 and your problems are forever solved
 
Euler Identity

Here is a cool trick for calculating pi derived from Euler Identity.

e^(i*(pi/2)) = Cos(90) + i*Sin(90)

ln(e^(i*(pi/2)) = ln(Cos(90) +i*Sin(90))

i*(pi/2)*lne = ln(Cos(90) +i*Sin(90))

pi = (1/i)*(2)*ln(Cos(90) +i*Sin(90))

pi = (i^4/i)*(2)*ln(Cos(90) +i*Sin(90))

pi = (-i)*(2)*ln(Cos(90) +i*Sin(90))

pi = (-2i)*ln(Cos(90) +i*Sin(90))

pi = ln((Cos(90) +i*Sin(90))^(-2i))

pi = ln(1/(Cos(90) +i*Sin(90))^(2i))

Just a cool trick!

Best Regards,

Edwin G. Schasteen
 
"buy a ti 89 or voyage 200 and your problems are forever solved"

if his problem is understanding how certain things work, then i think his problem would stay untouched if he bought one of these caluclators.
 
  • #10
I have a TI-83 plus and a TI Voyage 200, and I carry them both with me everywhere I go! They are truly amazing computation devices for those of us that are numerically challenged or just plain lazy. :smile:

Best Regards,

Edwin
 
  • #11
Edwin said:
I have a TI-83 plus and a TI Voyage 200, and I carry them both with me everywhere I go! They are truly amazing computation devices for those of us that are numerically challenged or just plain lazy. :smile:



Well said my friend. Understanding how it works does not mean that you need to bust your chops doing it the hard way all the time.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
3K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K