What Are Cyclic, Abelian, and Non-Abelian Groups?

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The discussion revolves around group theory, specifically focusing on cyclic, abelian, and non-abelian groups. The original poster presents a problem involving the direct product of groups and seeks examples of specific types of groups.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to prove that the direct product of two groups is a group and to provide examples of a non-cyclic abelian group of order 8 and a non-abelian group of order 42. Some participants question the nature of cyclic groups and the reasoning behind the examples provided.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some providing guidance on the definitions and properties of the groups in question. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the definitions and examples, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of cyclic and abelian groups, with some expressing uncertainty about the operations involved and the characteristics of the groups they are discussing. The original poster's examples are under scrutiny, and there is a focus on clarifying the definitions and operations relevant to the groups mentioned.

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Let G1 and G2 be groups, let G = G1 x G2 and define the binary operation on G by
(a1,a2)(b1,b2):=(a1b1,a2b2)
Prove that this makes G into a group. Prove G is abelian iff G1 and G2 are abelian.

Hence or otherwise give examples of a non-cyclic abelian group of order 8 and a non-abelian group of order 42.

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I have done the 1st part of this question and I'm just struggling with the examples. From reading around the subject I think a non-cyclic abelian group of order 8 would be Z2 x Z2 x Z2 where Z2 is the integers modulo 2 under addition. However, I don't really understand this.

Also, I'm unsure how to tackle the non-abelian group of order 42.

Thanks :)
 
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I think you are right with Z2xZ2xZ2. Why isn't it cyclic? For the other one think of two groups whose order multiplies to 42, and at least one of which isn't abelian.
 
I'm not sure I fully understand what cyclic actually means. If we have any element in the group, in our case it will look like (a,b,c) where a,b,c are either 0 or 1. When we square it we will get 1, will this be (1,1,1) for us? But this doesn't actually make sense, if we have (1,0,0)(1,0,0) = (1,0,0)? I think I'm very confused.

For the order 42 group, could I use sym(3) x Z7 (Z7 is the integers modulo 7 under addition) and sym(3) is not abelian. Again, I really don't understand why this works, if it does.
 
When they define the group operation by (a1,a2)(b1,b2):=(a1b1,a2b2) a1b1 doesn't mean multiply, it means combine a1 and b1 according to whatever the group operation is. For Z2 that's addition mod 2. (1,1,1) is not the identity of Z2xZ2xZ2. Does that help?
 

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