What Are Feynman Diagrams and How Are They Used in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around Feynman diagrams and their application in particle physics, specifically focusing on various particle interactions involving electrons, positrons, and photons. Participants are analyzing specific processes and the rules governing the correct representation of these diagrams.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to identify errors in their Feynman diagrams and clarify the rules for drawing them. Questions arise regarding the direction of fermion flow, the validity of certain vertices, and the implications of interactions in the presence of matter.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the correctness of various proposed diagrams, with some participants providing clarifications on the rules. Multiple interpretations of the processes are being explored, particularly regarding the representation of interactions and the role of external fields.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the foundational concepts of Feynman diagrams, indicating a potential gap in their understanding of the subject matter as it relates to their coursework.

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Homework Statement



(a) e- + e+ -> e- + e+
(b) e- + e- -> e- + e-
c) e- + e- -> e- + e- + u+ + u-
d) y -> e+ + e-
e) y + y -> y + y

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The Attempt at a Solution



Part (a)[/B]
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Part (b)

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Part (c)

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Part (d)

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Part (e)

Not sure what to do with this, since usually the squiggly lines serve as the 'internal line' or 'virtual particle'.

 
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None of them are correct. The first one has the wrong direction on the fermion flow of the incoming positron. In the others you either have the wrong process (b) or vertices that do not exist in QED (c) or the process is not happening in the presence of matter as stated (d).
 
Orodruin said:
None of them are correct. The first one has the wrong direction on the fermion flow of the incoming positron. In the others you either have the wrong process (b) or vertices that do not exist in QED (c) or the process is not happening in the presence of matter as stated (d).

My notes don't really explain how these diagrams are drawn and my course doesn't delve into too much detail as it is left for grad work.

Why does the positron in the first one have the wrong direction? I thought as an anti-particle it is traveling in the opposite direction?

What are the "rules" that tell us how to draw these diagrams?
 
unscientific said:
What are the "rules" that tell us how to draw these diagrams?

  1. Fermion lines never change direction (caveat: not in the Standard Model anyway)
  2. The only allowed vertex is the one you have in (b) and (d). (For all flavours of leptons.)
  3. External fermion lines are particles if the arrow points in the "right" direction, i.e., into the diagram if incoming and out of the diagram if it is outgoing. Otherwise it is an anti-particle. (In your (a), the incoming positron points into the diagram, it should be pointing out.)
 
Orodruin said:
  1. Fermion lines never change direction (caveat: not in the Standard Model anyway)
  2. The only allowed vertex is the one you have in (b) and (d). (For all flavours of leptons.)
  3. External fermion lines are particles if the arrow points in the "right" direction, i.e., into the diagram if incoming and out of the diagram if it is outgoing. Otherwise it is an anti-particle. (In your (a), the incoming positron points into the diagram, it should be pointing out.)

Thanks a lot for clarifying the rules, that was very helpful. I've updated the diagrams to be:

Part(a)

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Part (b)



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Part (c)

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Part (d)

What do they mean by in the presence of matter?

Part (e)
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(b) now violates rule 1. The fermion line must keep its direction after the vertex.

(c) violates rule 2. You cannot have a vertex with only a fermion line and a photon line attached. Additionally, you have no external muons. You can remedy both of these errors in the same way.

(d) the reaction cannot happen in vacuum because of momentum conservation. In order for momentum conservation to hold, some momentum must be taken from a nearby electromagnetic field due to the presence of background matter.

(a) and (e) are ok.
 
Orodruin said:
(b) now violates rule 1. The fermion line must keep its direction after the vertex.

(c) violates rule 2. You cannot have a vertex with only a fermion line and a photon line attached. Additionally, you have no external muons. You can remedy both of these errors in the same way.

(d) the reaction cannot happen in vacuum because of momentum conservation. In order for momentum conservation to hold, some momentum must be taken from a nearby electromagnetic field due to the presence of background matter.

(a) and (e) are ok.
Part (b)

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Part (c)

I'm not sure how to do this, but I am guessing:

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Part(d)

I'm not sure how to reflect this 'borrowing' of momentum in the diagram. Does it mean creating another virtual particle? So 2 squiggly lines to a vertex then branches out to e- and e+?


 
(b) You cannot change it by just changing the arrow. While it did become a valid Feynman diagram, it no longer represents two ingoing electrons. When you changed direction of the line, you traded the electron for a positron.

(c) No. Stop guessing and think about it for some time. There is no vertex with three photons so it violates the rule about the only possible vertex. Make sure to check all rules!

(d) It would be represented by an external photon taken from the external field. This is typically represented by a photon line ending in a point with a cross.
 
Orodruin said:
(b) You cannot change it by just changing the arrow. While it did become a valid Feynman diagram, it no longer represents two ingoing electrons. When you changed direction of the line, you traded the electron for a positron.

(c) No. Stop guessing and think about it for some time. There is no vertex with three photons so it violates the rule about the only possible vertex. Make sure to check all rules!

(d) It would be represented by an external photon taken from the external field. This is typically represented by a photon line ending in a point with a cross.
Part (b)

This represents an electron-electron scattering process, not sure what's wrong with this:

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Part (c)

Not sure if this is right, but I obeyed the 'one squiggly-two straight lines rule':

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Part (d)

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(b) and (c) are correct. Note that there are also more possibilities for (c) that are different from this one. (This also goes for (a).)

On (d) you misunderstood me. You must add an additional external photon. It is in the end of this photon you put a cross, not in a vertex. This represents that the photon is taken from the background.
 
  • #11
Orodruin said:
(b) and (c) are correct. Note that there are also more possibilities for (c) that are different from this one. (This also goes for (a).)

On (d) you misunderstood me. You must add an additional external photon. It is in the end of this photon you put a cross, not in a vertex. This represents that the photon is taken from the background.

So part (d) is:

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  • #12
No, as I said, the cross is in the free end of the additional photon, not in the vertex. This represents taking it from the external field.

Squiggly external lines represent internal photon propagators or external photons. There is nothing intrinsically linking them to being virtual. Fermions can also be virtual and internal lines.

To be honest, I do not see the point of trying to make students trying to randomly draw Feynman diagrams without telling them at least the very basics of what they represent ...
 
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