What Are Fundamental and Unitary Representations in Mathematics?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of fundamental and unitary representations in mathematics, particularly in the context of group theory and linear algebra. Participants explore definitions, properties, and implications of these representations, as well as related concepts such as orthogonal complements and trivial representations.

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  • Some participants inquire about the definitions of fundamental and unitary representations, with one participant suggesting that a unitary representation might simply be the identity matrix.
  • It is noted that a representation of a group G is a homomorphism into GL(V), where V is a vector space, and that a unitary representation requires that the mappings are unitary for every group element.
  • Participants discuss the orthogonal complement of an invariant subspace W in the context of unitary representations, defining it as the set of vectors in V that are orthogonal to all vectors in W.
  • One participant questions the utility of the trivial representation, which maps all group elements to the identity, expressing concern that it seems to lose all information about the group.
  • Another participant clarifies the meaning of "leftharpoondown" in the context of the trivial representation, suggesting it should be "maps to" and discussing the trivial representation's lack of usefulness.
  • There is a question about the phrase "elements of G act in a natural way," with an explanation provided that relates to intuitive actions of group elements on certain mathematical objects.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding some definitions and concepts, and there is no clear consensus on the utility of the trivial representation or the implications of certain terms used in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions and terms remain unclear, such as "leftharpoondown," and the implications of the trivial representation are debated without resolution. The discussion also highlights the complexity of understanding the natural actions of group elements.

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Readers interested in group theory, linear algebra, and the mathematical foundations of representations may find this discussion relevant.

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These are probably a bit stupid, so I hope you don't mind me asking them...

1)what is a fundamental representation?

2)what is a unitary representation? (Is it just the identity matrix?)

3)What is meant by the 'orthogonal complement' in the following context? "If [tex]W\subset{V}[/tex] is an invariant subspace for a unitary representation, [tex]\pi[/tex] on V, then the orthogonal complement of W inside V is also an invariante subspace for [tex]\pi[/tex]"
 
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1. I don't know.

2. A representation of a group G is a group homomorphism U into GL(V) where V is a vector space, and GL(V) is the group of invertible linear operators on V. A unitary representation is a representation such that U(g) is unitary for every g in G.

3. The set of all vectors in V that are orthogonal to all the vectors in W.
 
Fredrik said:
1. I don't know.

2. A representation of a group G is a group homomorphism U into GL(V) where V is a vector space, and GL(V) is the group of invertible linear operators on V. A unitary representation is a representation such that U(g) is unitary for every g in G.

3. The set of all vectors in V that are orthogonal to all the vectors in W.

Thanks for this explanation.

Can I ask a further question please:

The following is defined to be a trivial representation:

[tex] G \rightarrow GL(V)[/tex]

[tex]g\leftharpoondown Id_v[/tex]

what is the point of this representation exactly? It seems to me that we lose all information about the group if all the elements just map to the identity..

Also, an unrelated question - what does this statement mean exactly: "... elements of G act in a natural way"?
 
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vertices said:
The following is defined to be a trivial representation:

[tex] G \rightarrow GL(V)[/tex]

[tex]g\leftharpoondown Id_v[/tex]

what is the point of this representation exactly? It seems to me that we lose all information about the group if all the elements just map to the identity..
I don't know that "leftharpoondown" means, but it sounds like you meant "mapsto":

[tex]g\mapsto\mbox{Id}_V[/tex]

They're calling this function a "trivial representation" because it satisfies the definition of a representation, but is completely useless (for the reason you stated). It's like calling a set with a single point a trivial vector space.

vertices said:
Also, an unrelated question - what does this statement mean exactly: "... elements of G act in a natural way"?
It means that elements on G act on [whatever they say it's acting on] in the first way you would think of if someone asks you to think of a way that elements of G can act on [whatever they say it's acting on]. For example, the natural left action of GL(V) on V is [itex](A,v)\mapsto Av[/itex], and the natural right action of GL(V) on the set of linear functions from V into [itex]\mathbb R^n[/itex] is [itex](f,A)\mapsto f\circ A[/itex].
 
Fantastic - I'm finally beginning to understand the basics of this strange subject. As ever, thanks for your help Fredrik:)

(BTW: as regards the last post, yes I did mean 'maps to'... the symbol for "maps to" gives the code for left harpoon for some reason!)
 

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