Lie Groups and Algebras: Proofs and Potential Errors

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The discussion revolves around the properties and implications of Lie groups and algebras, particularly focusing on unitary representations, kernels of homomorphisms, and the relationships defined by the Killing form. Participants explore various statements and proofs, questioning their validity and seeking counterexamples or clarifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a noncompact Lie group cannot have a faithful unitary representation, arguing that such a representation would imply compactness.
  • Others challenge the claim about the kernel of a smooth homomorphism, providing examples where the kernel is not discrete, such as in the case of GL(n,C) and its determinant map.
  • A modified statement regarding the kernel of smooth homomorphisms of simple groups is introduced, suggesting it could either be discrete or the whole group, but the proof remains uncertain.
  • Participants discuss the orthogonal complement of the kernel of a representation of a semisimple algebra, with some asserting that it does not intersect with the kernel except at zero, referencing the Artin-Cartan theorem.
  • There is a recognition that not all vector spaces are finite-dimensional, which is relevant to the context of the statements being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach consensus on the correctness of the original statements. There are multiple competing views, particularly regarding the properties of kernels in homomorphisms and the implications of the Killing form.

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Limitations include the assumption of finite-dimensionality in the context of representations, which some participants initially overlooked. The discussion also reflects unresolved mathematical steps and conditions related to the properties of groups and algebras.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in advanced topics in Lie theory, representation theory, and algebraic structures may find the exploration of these statements and counterexamples relevant to their studies.

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Here is few statements that I proved but I suspect that are incorrect (but I can't find mistake), term group means Lie group same goes for algebra:

1. Noncompact group G doesn't have faithfull (ie. kernel has more that one element) unitary representation.
Proof:
If D(G) is faithfull unitary representation of group G, then D(G) is closed (in topological sense) subgroup of group U(n) (unitary group which is compact and connected, so every it's subgroup is closed), so D(G) is compact (closed subset of compact set is compact), and because D(G) is faithfull we conclude that G is also compact.

2. Kernel of smooth homomorphism is discrete subgroup or whole group.
Proof:
If we denote group with G and kernel with K, K is subgroup. If indentiry component has more than one element than we see that open set containing indentity is represented with identity matrix. Because whole group is genereated with elements from around identiry (my english is bad, but I hope you understand) so whole group G is represented with unitary matrix so K=G. I other case K is discerete subgroup.

And I have few more statements that I doesn't know how to prove nor if they are correct:
3. Semisimple, noncompact group G doesn't have unitary representation.
4. Orthogonal complement (in sense of Killing form) of kernel of representation of algebra doesn't have intersection with kernel (except zero).

If someone sees mistakes here or know for sure that some statements are incorrect, please let me know.
 
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2. I think this is wrong. Take for example G = GL(n,C) (n>2) and H = C (complex numbers). Then the map det(A) - 1 is a smooth map from G to H. But the kernel is a variety of dimension > 0 (because the ideal defining it is not maximal--use Nullstellensatz for example), so is not discrete. I hope what I said is correct.

4. This is probably wrong too. For example, any nilpotent Lie algebra has trivial Killing form. So if the kernel is nontrivial, its complement is the whole Lie algebra so intersects it nontrivially. For an example, take g to be the strictly upper triangular n x n matrices. A representation with nontrivial kernel: just map every matrix to 0.
 
First thank you for your reply.
2. Yes, you are right.
Note: Kernel of homomorphism between groups is set of all elements from first group that goes (using homomorphism) to indentity of second group. So mapping could be abs(det(A)) so kernel is unitary group, ie. it is not discrete nor equal to GL(n,C). So now I have modification of statement 2:

2'. Kernel of smooth homomorphism of simple (i.e. doesn't have connected nontrivial subgroups) is discrete subgroup or whole group.
But I don't know how to prove this or to find counterexample. So question is:
Can it be that kernel is nonconnected subgroup that doesn't contain open set in G? (i.e. set that is in topology of G)

4. Yes you are right again, I forgot to write that algebra is semisimple. If you have solvable algebra than orthogonal complement of whole algebra is non trivial so if we have representation that maps elements from this orthogonal complement to zero than statement is not corrent. So is this one correct and how to prove it:

4'. Orthogonal complement (in sense of Killing form) of kernel of representation of semisimple algebra doesn't have intersection with kernel (except zero).

What about statements 1. and 3.?

Best regards...
 
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4'. Goes directly from Artin-Cartan theorem. But still I don't know what to do with rest of statements?
 
Not all vector space are finite-dimensional.

For which statements in the original post is the above statement relevant?
 
Yes, you are right, I forgot to say that they are finite dimensional. (In all statements where representation is used)
 

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