What are good insulation materials?

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The discussion revolves around identifying effective insulation materials and calculating the time required to heat a liquid (oil) from a low temperature to a higher temperature using a specified power input. The scope includes theoretical considerations of insulation properties and practical calculations related to thermal dynamics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention various insulation materials, including fiberglass and calcium silicate, noting their properties such as thermal conductivity and cost-effectiveness.
  • One participant proposes a formula based on the first law of thermodynamics to calculate the time required to heat the oil, emphasizing the need to convert voltage into power units.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the units and values needed for the calculation, specifically regarding the term Qnet and how to determine it.
  • A later reply clarifies how to calculate Qnet and suggests determining the mass of the oil based on its density and volume, while also noting the importance of temperature units in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of fiberglass and calcium silicate as insulation materials, but there is uncertainty regarding the calculations for heating the oil, with some participants seeking clarification on specific terms and values.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the specific values for Qnet and the mass of the oil, as well as the implications of using different temperature units (Celsius vs. Fahrenheit) in the calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in thermal insulation materials, as well as those looking to understand thermal dynamics and calculations related to heating liquids.

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Types of metals, plastics and others like fiber glass.

Also I have another question.

How do I calculate how long it takes to heat liquid up with different amounts of energy.

Say from -40c, how long does it take to heat oil to 71c with a 120volts. This is bare bones, but I just want to know what I'd be looking at.
 
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Fiber glass is an excellent overall insulation for pipes, heat exchangers, and so on. It has a low thermal conductivity, easy to form, and relatively inexpensive.

If you need something more solid and strong, calcium silicate is a good choice.

If you have a constant heat input into a tank, apply this 1st law of thermo:

Qnet = mass X cp X (T-final - T-initial) / time

Qnet = power input - heat loss through insulation. Other variables self explanatory.

Solve for time.

You will need to convert your heater voltage into power (e.g. watt) units.
 
Hmm so I feel like I'm missing something.

I'll just make something up.

540w source.
0 Heat loss through storage:
Initial temperature of oil: -40
Final temp: 70 degrees

Qnet = Made up
Time = Made up

Qnet is in what units or, what is it exactly? Where do I make up a qnet number so that I can find time? I see how to get it when I do have time or how to get time when I do have qnet.
 
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For the sample numbers you listed:

Qnet = 540 watts - 0 watts = 540 watts.

Next, you need the mass of oil in the tank. You can figure this out from the operating (or design) volume of your tank and the density of the oil:

mass = density X Volume.

Now solve the equation I listed above for time. Note that T-final = 70 degrees and T-initial = -40 degrees. Check if you are working in Fahrenheit or Celsius. It makes a difference.

This will be the time required to heat your oil bath from -40 degrees to 70 degrees.

Try it, and see what you get.
 
Thanks for the information... quite helpful! :)
 

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