Voltage vs Resistance. (Temperature analogy for metals)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between voltage, resistance, and temperature in metals and insulation materials. Participants explore the effects of temperature on electrical resistance in metals and the phenomenon of high voltage decreasing the volume resistance of insulation materials, seeking explanations at a microscopic level.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that electrical resistance in metals is constant but varies with temperature, suggesting that higher temperatures lead to higher resistance due to increased electron motion obstructing current flow.
  • Another participant questions the effect of voltage on resistance in metals, asking if there are extreme limits where voltage might influence resistance.
  • A participant introduces the Drude Model, mentioning that the mean free path between collisions is a key parameter affecting resistance.
  • Discussion on insulation materials reveals that high voltage can lead to damage mechanisms, such as electrical treeing, which may decrease resistance by creating ionized paths in the material.
  • One participant notes that the presence of water at ppm levels may trigger the treeing process in insulation, although the phenomenon is not fully understood.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the effects of voltage on resistance, particularly in metals versus insulation materials. There is no consensus on the mechanisms behind the observed phenomena, and multiple competing views remain regarding the explanations offered.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of a fully explained mechanism for the decrease in resistance in insulation materials under high voltage and the absence of clear indicators for material properties that influence this phenomenon.

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Individuals interested in electrical engineering, material science, and the behavior of electrical resistance in different materials may find this discussion relevant.

DoubtfulOxymoron
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Hello everyone,

From what i know electrical resistance for metals is a constant, but in fact it varies with temperature but not voltage. Explanation for metals and temperature is something like "heat, which is in fact average speed of electrons, does obstruct tranmission of other electrons called also electrical current, thus higher temperature = higher electrical resistance"
But I am not aware that voltage would affect resistance of metals (are there any extreme limits?).

Now the hard part. How can you explain the fact that high voltage does actualy decrease volume resistance of insulation materials? I am not saying there is any suitable analogy to previous example, but I am really begging for solid explanation of this phenomenon.

I would prefer explanation on microscopic scale.
But any enlightement will be appreciated!

PS: I believe this could be better explained by material engineers, than electrical engineers.
 
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Are you familiar with the Drude Model? . Mean free path between collisions is a dominant material-dependent parameter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drude_model

Regarding insulators, I'm not sure what you are asking about. But there is a mechanism of high voltage damage that carves tracks in the medium that look like lightning bolt branching paths. Molecular structure is modified along the tracks.
 
Yes that's what i thought too, it's called also electrical treeing. Some paths are being ionized more than others in insulation, this could explain decreased resistance or higher currents through the insulation. Thank you anorlunda.

Is there any detailed description why is this happening, or what material property does indicate severity of this phenomenon?
 
A Google search on +treeing +insulation
turned up several papers on the subject.

Include the + signs in the search.
 
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Thanks again anorlunda, I have found useful link http://www.posterus.sk/?p=16307 . It is more clear now.

Although the phenomenon is not fully explained in science yet. Especialy I can't see very good indicator desriribing this material property. Only usefull information for me is that presence of water on ppm level is factor triggering treeing process.
 

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